#archlinux-ports | Logs for 2017-06-15

[00:01:03] <H-H-H> damn i was just going to point out a problem kin the github repo for archiso32 lol
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[00:01:17] <tyzoid> H-H-H I'm still here :)
[00:02:13] <H-H-H> ok im running your archiso pkg from your github but the releng profile's build.sh file is still set for 64bit
[00:02:33] <tyzoid> hmm
[00:03:06] <H-H-H> https://github.com
[00:03:24] <tyzoid> I'm using deepthought's repo for that
[00:03:35] <tyzoid> and I was able to build i686 isos
[00:03:38] <tyzoid> let me check
[00:08:19] <H-H-H> or im going mad lol
[00:08:34] <tyzoid> idk, the repo is giving me 404 errors
[00:08:43] <tyzoid> You can try grabbing our vagrant box for the i686 builds
[00:08:49] <H-H-H> hmm is fine for me
[00:08:53] <tyzoid> http://dl.tyzoid.com
[00:09:00] <tyzoid> that should have the proper config
[00:09:09] <tyzoid> I don't have vbox on my machine rn
[00:09:13] <tyzoid> so I can't check that
[00:10:16] <H-H-H> ty i hope to be able to contribute and help you guys in the future as im building my own distro for my systems 32bit,64bit and arm and i love the simplicity of arch and pacman so have based it on that
[00:11:02] <H-H-H> ive spent many a wet weekend building packages and pkgbuild files lol when i converted my LFS system over to use pacman haha
[00:11:33] <tyzoid> lol
[00:11:39] <tyzoid> that's actually part of the reason I got into arch
[00:11:45] <tyzoid> I wanted more control of my system than ubuntu provided
[00:12:01] <tyzoid> but I didn't want to go through the hassle of messing with manually compiling everything
[00:12:02] <H-H-H> ubuntu has its place but way to bloated for me
[00:12:09] <drathir> pacman+aur the strongers advantages of arch...
[00:12:34] <tyzoid> Honestly, I quite liked ubuntu. The thing that finally did it in for me, though, was the lack of updated packages
[00:12:43] <tyzoid> php was still on 5.3 on ubuntu 12.04
[00:13:03] * drathir chose always debian over ubu...
[00:13:59] <drathir> little difference extra/php 7.1.6-1
[00:15:20] <H-H-H> anyways the offers there lol
[00:15:39] <H-H-H> canyanyone access the arch32 github repo to confirm im not mad lol
[00:15:51] <tyzoid> I just checked, you don't look mad
[00:16:30] <drathir> me not sure what is speak about with github....
[00:16:47] <tyzoid> drathir: https://github.com
[00:17:25] <tyzoid> oh, right
[00:17:36] <tyzoid> H-H-H: The script require that the build server is x86_64
[00:17:43] <tyzoid> It still builds an i686 iso
[00:17:49] <tyzoid> that's just to verify the build server
[00:18:00] <tyzoid> hope that makes sense now
[00:18:10] <H-H-H> yes ty lol
[00:18:22] <drathir> crosscompile?
[00:18:38] <drathir> kinda of?
[00:19:24] <H-H-H> i am actually building 32bit pkgs in a 32bit chroot within a 64it system and just assumed the archiso32 wpould run lolwithin the chroot
[00:20:48] <tyzoid> Yeah. Honestly that requirement is because the script was forked off of the mainline archiso scripts
[00:20:49] <drathir> H-H-H: how about kvm vm with build on 32bit os ? Too low performance?
[00:20:54] <tyzoid> it may be possible to do the build
[00:22:34] <H-H-H> this way of building arch for 32bit was the first result on google if im honest and so far its worked fine as my netbooks and 2 laptops are all running the compiled pkgs
[00:23:41] <tyzoid> arch still officially supports 32bit for now
[00:25:32] <tyzoid> H-H-H: If you can test it, could you try running the archiso in the 32bit container by removing that line?
[00:25:40] <tyzoid> I'm curious as to whether it'll work
[00:27:25] <H-H-H> ok
[00:29:38] <H-H-H> well it seems to be doing it
[00:30:58] <H-H-H> let it run and see hat the resulting iso is like
[00:31:52] <tyzoid> sweet
[00:32:04] <tyzoid> I just tried running it on this system (x64) and I get:
[00:32:06] <tyzoid> mount: work/efiboot: mount failed: Unknown error -1
[00:32:08] <tyzoid> :/
[00:32:17] <tyzoid> but my system isn't necessarily clean
[00:33:49] <H-H-H> im building the releng profile incase it matters
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[00:38:54] <drathir> but efi is only x86_64 32bit efi hard to make working last time readed about it...
[00:41:52] <H-H-H> seem to be creating it fine (now creating the squashfs image)
[00:43:35] <H-H-H> [mkarchiso] INFO: Creating ISO image...
[00:43:35] <H-H-H> xorriso 1.4.6 : RockRidge filesystem manipulator, libburnia project.
[00:43:35] <H-H-H> [mkarchiso] INFO: Done! | 485M out/archlinux-2017.06.14-i686.iso
[00:45:18] <drathir> nice...
[00:45:58] <H-H-H> i ran it on the 64bit host to and compared the two iso files and the checksums the same
[00:49:26] <H-H-H> thanks for your time guys :)
[00:51:13] <tyzoid> Alright, sweet
[00:51:18] <tyzoid> Thanks for testing that, H-H-H
[00:53:25] <H-H-H> im sure i will find other wierd and silly things lol
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[01:54:07] <H-H-H> ping tyzoid
[01:55:04] <H-H-H> stupid question i know but whats the default password for the user vagrant on that vagrant system you linked to? if you know :)
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[04:31:28] <tyzoid> .
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[05:10:50] <tyzoid> eschwartz: Your username looks familiar. Do you have a different name on the arch-ports mailing list?
[05:11:19] <eschwartz> eschwartz is the IRC concatenation of Eli Schwartz :)
[05:12:01] <eschwartz> (general username concatenation, really)
[05:12:08] <tyzoid> hmm
[05:12:23] <tyzoid> I feel like I remember it from somewhere else, but I can't place my finger on it.
[05:12:57] <eschwartz> eschwartz is on the Arch BBS and wiki, Eli Schwartz posts to the mailing lists. :)
[05:13:51] <eschwartz> I've also been known to haunt Mobileread.com if you are into ebooks.
[05:14:19] <tyzoid> hmm
[05:14:24] <tyzoid> doesn't seem to check out
[05:14:33] <tyzoid> might just be that I've seen you lurking here enough it seems familiar
[05:14:43] <tyzoid> but I could swear I've seen it outside of irc somewhere
[05:16:55] <tyzoid> hmm
[05:17:08] <tyzoid> google reports that the only places our usernames are together is on this irc, so it's probably just me
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[06:28:50] <deep42thought> ok, I've removed the restriction from archiso32 and also set up a PKGBUILD for a package - so it should be available in our repos sometime
[06:29:35] <tyzoid> so deep42thought: I've been doing some testing on the iso building
[06:29:46] <tyzoid> if this final test comes up positive, it'll be confirmed
[06:29:46] <deep42thought> nice
[06:29:55] <tyzoid> It breaks if I include the new glibc
[06:30:06] <tyzoid> so I'm testing it with the updated mkinitcpio-busybox image
[06:30:07] <deep42thought> good to know
[06:30:41] <tyzoid> the new linux kernel works perfectly fine
[06:31:05] <tyzoid> Alright, so deep42thought: Yup, that was the issue
[06:31:30] <tyzoid> so we just need to pin glibc back, or make a build of mkinitcpio-busybox including the new fix
[06:31:47] <tyzoid> it's currently in testing/os/i686/ on mainline
[06:32:20] <tyzoid> but probably easiest just to pin back glibc for the iso builds for the time being
[06:38:36] <deep42thought> yes
[06:38:55] <deep42thought> at least that's what I usually do when something breaks: pin back the faulty package
[06:42:01] <deep42thought> which version did you use?
[06:42:07] <deep42thought> 2.24-2?
[06:42:20] <deep42thought> well, no
[06:42:27] <deep42thought> that update was back in march
[06:42:34] <deep42thought> 2.25-1?
[06:43:02] <deep42thought> ah, no, you just fixed busybox ... right
[06:53:35] <tyzoid> Not quite
[06:53:49] <tyzoid> so deep42thought, it worked when glibc was pinned at what is currently in our repos
[06:53:49] <deep42thought> hmm?
[06:54:00] <tyzoid> it breaks if I use the one from staging
[06:54:08] <deep42thought> O.o
[06:54:42] <tyzoid> but works if I use the mkinitcpio-busybox from the mainline testing repo
[06:54:51] <tyzoid> hopefully that makes sense
[06:55:19] <deep42thought> what mkinitcpio-busybox did you use if not from mainline repos?
[06:55:39] <tyzoid> I used the one in the mainline testing repo
[06:56:24] <tyzoid> i.e. http://arlm.tyzoid.com
[07:03:19] <deep42thought> ok, makes perfect sense
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[07:36:13] <deep42thought> the problem with nvidia is that pacman picks a choice for libgl which conflicts with nvidia-utils and thus the build process is aborted :-|
[07:36:55] <deep42thought> not the build process, it's already the dependency installation, what fails
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[07:41:58] <deep42thought> It would be nice if pacman showed a little more intelligence and only provided choices which do not conflict with other packages being installed ... but I guess, that behaviour would be too complex
[09:04:54] <tyzoid> hey deep42thought: I'm working on a project, so if you need me, make sure to tag me
[09:05:01] <tyzoid> I missed your messages earlier
[09:05:07] <deep42thought> np
[09:05:18] <deep42thought> I just needed to release some steam
[09:05:25] <tyzoid> yeah, no probs
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[10:58:55] <tyzoid> alright, I'm heading out to get a little bit of sleep
[10:59:51] <tyzoid> deep42thought: If you want, I can make the i686 and dual isos to replace the broken 2017.06.* ones
[10:59:58] <tyzoid> I can work on that tomorrow
[11:00:06] <deep42thought> that would be nice
[11:00:36] <tyzoid> Should I use mainline, but just pin glibc down?
[11:00:46] <deep42thought> yes, if it works
[11:00:53] <deep42thought> if you give me your ssh key, I can give you access via sshfs to the master mirror
[11:01:36] <tyzoid> Sure
[11:01:52] <tyzoid> ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAADAQABAAABAQCry3qfv25GrcCweUeaslMceJHI3iZE31IdW+LiQ54s5gEeuZXsEnCQKEW5fbcyxVYVHhcScuZMvp6DOFtDykPxlvd2ZwV2fg0WGiPuOtmBxhHm4d+xfnTW/KidmpmaYLyXjmqv2aHlnlflTceTl2rNWWELo6/47LA6gu14U01SBWIHQbo10BVMiVsoxxnHEuLWSGYgKDW02EbZTIFYvHKQY9kBTJw9DmYPE4GoY88q1TcdOwq55irmAVYegPHYwplWW/fSiyiHJTz9vlz81m9gKDyLtHkfpFMT7EOTlZ5dGRznwCK86RzSu8WW1yjm2rPwfyvTMABdt3RlcAlV2Kez tyler@ds0
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[12:24:42] <phillid> I have just added your ssh key to 12 servers I administer somewhere on the internet find all of them and a prize awaits
[12:27:14] <deep42thought> lol
[12:48:25] <brtln> :D
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[16:58:51] <fsckd> !grab phillid
[16:59:11] <fsckd> :(
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[17:45:39] <rewbycraft> Woah backlog
[17:48:57] <rewbycraft> Oh good, you guys are figuring out the build issues
[17:49:03] <rewbycraft> (for both iso and packages)
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[18:01:33] <deep42thought> well, I wouldn't use the term "figure out" - there are still a few hundret package builds failing ;-)
[18:13:41] <rewbycraft> Well, yes
[18:13:49] <rewbycraft> But you're finding problems
[18:13:53] <rewbycraft> And fixing them
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[18:31:41] <tyzoid> so deep42thought: the i686 iso works, just about to upload that
[18:31:49] <tyzoid> The next question is how to get that signed
[18:36:04] <deep42thought> just sign it with any key you usually sign your sources with
[18:36:17] <deep42thought> it doesn't matter, as long as the people trust your key
[18:37:09] <tyzoid> ehh
[18:37:14] <tyzoid> I have no key people trust
[18:37:28] <tyzoid> We'd need to get one added to archlinux32-keyring in that case
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[18:39:50] <deep42thought> it does not need to be in the keyring
[18:40:04] <deep42thought> I also signed the iso with my standard email-key
[18:47:12] <deep42thought> if you plan on building packages in the future, you can also generate a separate key and get it signed by the master keys - however, that is not necessary for a iso signing key
[18:47:33] <deep42thought> but anyway you should (contrary to me) publish it somewhere on archlinux32.org ;-)
[18:52:40] <tyzoid> I've got my key on keybase.io: https://keybase.io
[18:52:56] <tyzoid> but deep42thought: I can't seem to find the command to generate the consice signatures
[18:53:03] <tyzoid> is it the signature of a hash of the file?
[18:54:11] <deep42thought> gpg --detatch-sign archlinux....iso
[18:54:41] <deep42thought> I have to leave in a few minutes
[18:56:50] <deep42thought> maybe we should set up some members page on archlinux32.org, hwere all these security details can be mentioned?
[18:59:14] <deep42thought> ok, cu later - I'll read the logs ;-)
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[19:15:38] <axujen> iset buffers*
[19:16:03] <tyzoid> axujen: Not sure what you're referring to
[19:16:22] <axujen> wrong channel sorry
[19:16:26] <tyzoid> no problem
[19:16:36] <tyzoid> Just wanted to make sure it wasn't something important
[19:18:11] <axujen> quit
[19:18:19] <axujen> again sorry -_-
[19:19:21] <tyzoid> no problem
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[19:23:45] <pulec> ohai all
[19:23:48] <tyzoid> hi
[19:23:58] <pulec> anyone using old Athlon XP or Pentium 4?
[19:24:29] <tyzoid> I've got an athlon kicking around in a laptop back home
[19:24:35] <tyzoid> been planning on doing something with it for a while
[19:24:42] <tyzoid> It's got ubuntu 10.04 on it rn
[19:25:28] <tyzoid> But if you hadn't seen, we've got the i686 isos available on our mirrors
[19:25:40] <tyzoid> http://mirror.archlinux32.org
[19:25:42] <pulec> oh
[19:25:48] <pulec> oh so its whole iso?
[19:25:55] <tyzoid> Yup, both i686 and dual
[19:26:01] <tyzoid> it's the install cds
[19:26:06] <pulec> I am just browsing aur, I was hoping for something like linux-32bit or smth
[19:26:24] <tyzoid> it should just be the linux-i686 package on the repos
[19:26:30] <tyzoid> which should be there by default
[19:26:33] <pulec> something like this for virtualization stuff https://aur.archlinux.org
[19:26:51] <pulec> thanks, will try it when I get into "my museum"
[19:27:04] <pulec> I love those old PCs, my first PC ever, state of art in 2005
[19:27:11] <tyzoid> pulec: looks like that requires/assumes x86_64
[19:27:20] <pulec> yeah that is for my i7
[19:27:31] <pulec> its for gpu passthrough to the VM
[19:27:35] <pulec> completely unrelated
[19:28:23] <pulec> I guessed I will just build my own kernel with some specific flags to allow the compability for CPUs without SSE2 and who knows what else have to be solved
[19:30:21] <tyzoid> The linux kernel build flags are quite daunting
[19:30:34] <tyzoid> I've never done a custom kernel build before, so I'm not of much help
[19:31:44] <AndrevS> pulec, unfortunately my pentium 4 machine died. and I gave my Athlon XP away, but I still have a Pentium 3 machine.
[19:32:00] <pulec> oh even greater challenge
[19:32:09] <pulec> how did it died, if I may ask...
[19:32:13] <pulec> ?
[19:32:21] <rewbycraft> Nice
[19:32:33] <rewbycraft> I still have a (working) dual-cpu 32bit xeon box
[19:32:43] <rewbycraft> I have two even
[19:32:57] <AndrevS> It was working when I put it in storage, a few years later I tried to boot it up, but nothing happened, no bios, just dead.
[19:33:11] <AndrevS> Old Pentium 4, Whillamette core, RDRAM
[19:33:20] <AndrevS> Asus P4T-F motherboard, I believe
[19:34:15] <AndrevS> My house is too small to keep all the stuff... so I gave my old computer collection to a guy who is collecting old hardware to start a computer museum.
[19:35:17] <rewbycraft> Fair enough
[19:35:45] <rewbycraft> My server collection also takes a fair percentage of my space. That said, it's a pile of rack servers which stack well
[19:36:00] <AndrevS> I had a Cyrix 6x86 and an AMD K6-2 among those machines,
[19:37:03] <rewbycraft> Oh nice
[19:37:27] <AndrevS> Also a Cyrix 5x86, which did have a power supply issue (IBM Apavita)
[19:37:54] <AndrevS> Old hardware.... it needs to be running to survive.... otherwise the caps will dry and it's gone...
[19:39:58] <rewbycraft> I still use some I've got a server from '03
[19:40:01] <rewbycraft> Er
[19:40:05] <rewbycraft> I still use a server from '03*
[19:43:34] <AndrevS> At the Eindhoven University of Technology computer association MCGV Stack, there is some interesting hardware, like some Alpha machines, some Silicon Graphic machines, But those machines haven't been powered up in years.... So the power supplies have to be checked before even trying to power them up.
[19:44:05] <rewbycraft> Oooh. I should figure out if I can go see those. That sounds neat
[19:44:07] <rewbycraft> (I study there)
[19:44:38] <AndrevS> Thursdays it's open (I am there now)
[19:45:00] <AndrevS> Still in the bunker.... while it lasts....
[19:45:00] <rewbycraft> Hm. I could come visit, campus is 5min bike away.
[19:45:34] <AndrevS> Bunker, ground floor SC 0.70
[19:45:41] <rewbycraft> I've got homework to do, sadly
[19:45:49] <rewbycraft> Got some essays that need to be finished
[19:46:02] <rewbycraft> And it's like pulling teeth getting "teammates" to do stuff
[19:46:28] <AndrevS> good luck
[19:46:37] <AndrevS> I graduated two years ago....
[19:46:50] <rewbycraft> I didn't even know there was a computing-club here...
[19:46:55] <rewbycraft> (Or however you wanna translate that)
[19:46:55] <AndrevS> I mean... stack has become an association of alumni
[19:47:05] <tyzoid> There's also probably an amateur radio club too
[19:47:11] <tyzoid> We've got one at my local university
[19:47:17] <AndrevS> But we're still in the bunker while it lasts....
[19:47:30] <AndrevS> But food has arrived....
[19:47:54] <rewbycraft> Enjoy food
[19:48:31] <tyzoid> Alright, in other news
[19:48:40] <tyzoid> both the i686 and dual archisos are working now
[19:48:45] <rewbycraft> \o/
[19:48:51] <tyzoid> they're 2017.06.15-*
[19:48:55] <tyzoid> http://mirror.archlinux32.org
[19:48:57] <rewbycraft> Hmh
[19:49:02] <tyzoid> Fresh out of the build machine
[19:49:39] * rewbycraft has his mirror sync
[19:49:48] <tyzoid> yup
[19:49:58] <tyzoid> and I've got mine over here in the US
[19:50:05] <rewbycraft> Mine's in Strasbourgh
[19:50:09] <rewbycraft> (France)
[19:50:28] <tyzoid> Nice. is it publicly accessable? or just for your internal stuff?
[19:50:37] <rewbycraft> It's in the mirrorlists already
[19:50:42] <tyzoid> sweet
[19:50:46] <rewbycraft> archlinux32.mirror.roelf.org
[19:51:36] <tyzoid> I run arlm.tyzoid.com as a mainline mirror, so the arch32 one is at 32.arlm.tyzoid.com
[19:51:50] <rewbycraft> I don't have a mainline (yet)
[19:52:04] <rewbycraft> I figured, mainline's already got a ton of mirrors, but this effort hasn't got many
[19:52:09] <rewbycraft> I think it's just 3 at the moment. Or 4
[19:52:21] <tyzoid> I mainly got it because there were some events that I wanted to have an offline mirror for
[19:52:33] <tyzoid> and to be courteous, I set up a public one that I could take complete copies of whenever I wanted
[19:53:15] <rewbycraft> Fair
[19:53:51] <rewbycraft> I've got enough arch machines that setting up a mirror on my infra could be a good idea
[19:54:02] <rewbycraft> I know that a few of my upstreams would probably appreciate it
[19:54:43] <tyzoid> If you want, you could clone it from mine
[19:54:51] <tyzoid> My bandwidth usage is tremendously low
[19:54:55] <rewbycraft> Perhaps, but I'm a tad busy at the moment
[19:54:56] <tyzoid> http://stats.arlm.tyzoid.com
[19:55:03] <tyzoid> no problem
[19:55:12] <tyzoid> Just offering the bandwidth for that
[19:55:12] <rewbycraft> I may take you up on it later
[19:55:53] <tyzoid> My server is in chicago, so you may have a bit higher latency that desirable
[19:56:07] <rewbycraft> Does latency really matter for a daily cron job?
[19:59:34] <tyzoid> not in my opinion
[20:00:07] <rewbycraft> same here
[20:00:30] <tyzoid> rsync may become a bit slower, depending on how it handles TCP slow start, but it shouldn't be a problem
[20:00:45] <tyzoid> speaking of, I should enable that
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[20:13:54] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: rsync://arlm.tyzoid.com should do it
[20:14:29] <rewbycraft> tyzoid: Once I get around to setting it up, will do
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[20:55:28] <tyzoid> I'm heading off for now, I'll try to be back on later tonight
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[21:00:19] <rewbycraft> o/
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[23:53:25] <axujen> oh btw any progress on the 32 bit port?