#archlinux-ports | Logs for 2017-06-23

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[01:29:54] <WarheadsSE> Ah, berkleydb license change...?
[01:39:23] <tyzoid> WarheadsSE: You referring to deep42thought's perl issue?
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[12:23:04] <tyzoid> hey deep42thought, did you ever get those emails?
[12:39:21] <deep42thought> no
[12:39:52] <tyzoid> :(
[12:40:19] <deep42thought> but the server is deleting spam directly, so I can't check there (although it reports about the amount of spam mails, which was zero in the past an 1 yesterday)
[12:40:26] <tyzoid> Do you think it's a problem on your mail server's end? Or on my end?
[12:40:42] <deep42thought> dunno
[12:40:53] <deep42thought> honestly, my end is more probable
[12:47:51] <deep42thought> hmm, interesting, emails to my forum address do not arrive at all O.o
[12:52:09] <deep42thought> ok, the problem seems to be on my (or Polichronucci's) end: from my private address I can send, but from my university address I can't
[12:53:58] <deep42thought> ah, i know!
[12:54:12] <deep42thought> it's greylisted - does your sender handle that correctly?
[12:54:30] <deep42thought> e.g in which intervals do you try to resend?
[12:54:38] <rewbycraft> It should handle it since it's postfix
[12:54:51] <deep42thought> hmm, and the registration email came through, too
[12:55:21] <rewbycraft> I've never had to configure anything for greylisting really
[12:55:25] <rewbycraft> postfix always just handled it for me
[12:56:08] <deep42thought> (my from-university-test-email came through a few minutes ago)
[12:56:17] <deep42thought> dunno
[12:56:34] <Polichronucci> deep42thought: yep there is a greylist filter
[12:56:36] <tyzoid> deep42thought: You never had a registration email, afaik
[12:56:50] <tyzoid> Hey Polichronucci: I don't think we've had a chance to talk
[12:56:51] <Polichronucci> it takes a few minutes to get through
[12:56:53] <deep42thought> tyzoid: cou're right
[12:57:00] <Polichronucci> hello tyzoid
[12:57:00] <deep42thought> s/cou're/you're/
[12:57:18] * rewbycraft waves hello to Polichronucci
[12:57:32] <deep42thought> Polichronucci: but I'm "waiting" since half a day or so
[12:57:54] <Polichronucci> lemme check the logs
[12:57:58] <deep42thought> thanks
[12:59:16] <tyzoid> Polichronucci: It should be coming from noreply@archlinux32.org and www-data@cdn.tyzoid.com
[13:04:21] <tyzoid> Also Polichronucci: I can send some test mail that way if you need more mail samples
[13:04:43] <Polichronucci> tyzoid: could you send one now? it would help
[13:05:35] <tyzoid> Subject: Test Mail, To: deep42thought@archlinux32.org
[13:06:00] <Polichronucci> ok I got 2 mails
[13:06:22] <tyzoid> There should have been three since yesterday, including the one I just sent
[13:06:39] <tyzoid> Polichronucci: Are the two mails duplicates from now? Or from yesterday?
[13:06:49] <Polichronucci> one got through, deep42thought can you verify
[13:07:10] <deep42thought> not to my client (yet), I'll look at my logs
[13:07:22] <Polichronucci> tyzoid: just the one you sent now, the other seems to be spam
[13:08:13] <tyzoid> hmm. Polichronucci: It could be just that they're automated forum notifications. Do you know if there's something in particular that's triggering the spam classification?
[13:08:23] <tyzoid> I can send another automatic notification if that's helpful
[13:09:16] <Polichronucci> tyzoid: postfix is setup to close connections from hosts that don't resolve to the IP the connection comes from
[13:09:39] <Polichronucci> warning: hostname static-148-244-209-99.alestra.net.mx does not resolve to address Name or service not known
[13:09:51] <Polichronucci> this was the spam
[13:09:58] <tyzoid> That wasn't from my server then
[13:10:09] <tyzoid> My server is cdn.tyzoid.com, with rdns cdn.tyzoid.com
[13:11:19] <rewbycraft> Want me to send a test email and see if it goes through?
[13:11:29] <rewbycraft> (I doubt mine won't go through, but it's worth a try)
[13:11:39] <Polichronucci> yep lets try
[13:11:52] <rewbycraft> Got an address for me?
[13:11:59] <deep42thought> my?
[13:12:05] <rewbycraft> Sure
[13:12:11] <deep42thought> deep42thought@archlinux32.org
[13:12:18] <rewbycraft> My mail server's supposed to be configured correctly
[13:13:36] <tyzoid> Polichronucci: https://www.mail-tester.com
[13:13:38] <phrik> Title: Spam Test Result (at www.mail-tester.com)
[13:13:59] <tyzoid> That's from my artifical test, the automatic notifications don't have the reply-to header set different
[13:15:01] <Polichronucci> tyzoid: the test email you send came from another email server, not cdn.tyzoid.com right?
[13:15:15] <tyzoid> Polichronucci: Both came from cdn.tyzoid.com
[13:15:37] <tyzoid> both were generated/sent through the forum
[13:15:47] <rewbycraft> Jun 23 11:25:44 postcard postfix/smtp[19712]: 1E8F943AD9: to=<deep42thought@archlinux32.org>, relay=mail.archlinux32.org[]:25, delay=2.4, delays=0.35/0.01/2/0.1, dsn=4.2.0, status=deferred (host mail.archlinux32.org[] said: 450 4.2.0 <deep42thought@archlinux32.org>: Recipient address rejected: Greylisted for 300 seconds (in reply to RCPT TO command))
[13:15:53] <rewbycraft> Looks like greylisting's working
[13:16:02] <rewbycraft> Let's see what my MTA does in a few minutes
[13:16:02] <Polichronucci> rewbycraft: yep
[13:16:31] <rewbycraft> So far, my MTA seems to be handling it right
[13:16:38] <rewbycraft> Notice status=deferred
[13:16:41] <rewbycraft> Meaning it'll retry
[13:17:24] <rewbycraft> I believe my queue_run_delay's set to 300s
[13:17:32] <rewbycraft> So should be fine
[13:18:07] <tyzoid> Jun 23 07:05:16 cdn postfix/local[8149]: CB5DF18208CF: to=<deep42thought@archlinux32.org>, relay=local, delay=0.22, delays=0.09/0.13/0/0, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (unknown user: "deep42thought")
[13:18:18] <rewbycraft> Oh
[13:18:19] <deep42thought> :-( I'm forgotten
[13:18:20] <rewbycraft> I know
[13:18:26] <tyzoid> I think it's trying to deliver it locally
[13:18:29] <rewbycraft> It is
[13:18:36] <tyzoid> derp derp
[13:18:51] <Polichronucci> tyzoid: I have no connections from your server
[13:19:05] <Polichronucci> so it seems... I was looking like crazy :P
[13:19:12] <tyzoid> Polichronucci: That would make sense, given the log I see now
[13:19:23] <rewbycraft> Polichronucci: It's because it's got archlinux32.org in mydestinations to allow it to send from that domain
[13:20:25] <rewbycraft> tyzoid: It may work without archlinux32.org in mydestination but I'm not sure
[13:20:29] <rewbycraft> Give it a try?
[13:21:00] <tyzoid> Sure, one sec
[13:21:17] <tyzoid> https://www.mail-tester.com hasn't noticed a change
[13:21:19] <phrik> Title: Spam Test Result (at www.mail-tester.com)
[13:21:44] <Polichronucci> tyzoid: yep got a connection
[13:21:49] <tyzoid> Jun 23 07:21:35 cdn postfix/smtp[8961]: BBE6318208CF: host mail.archlinux32.org[] said: 450 4.2.0 <deep42thought@archlinux32.org>: Recipient address rejected: Greylisted for 300 seconds (in reply to RCPT TO command)
[13:21:56] <Polichronucci> yay :D
[13:22:11] <tyzoid> So time to play the waiting game
[13:22:30] <tyzoid> Polichronucci: Also, do you need help with the website?
[13:22:52] <Polichronucci> I dont actually do anything with it :-/
[13:23:15] <Polichronucci> but its in github so you could send a pull request and I would merge
[13:23:27] <Polichronucci> but what do you have in mind
[13:23:28] <Polichronucci> ?
[13:23:39] <tyzoid> Polichronucci, Is it static on github pages? Or is it on your server?
[13:23:56] <Polichronucci> its on my server
[13:24:09] <tyzoid> Polichronucci: not sure if you've seen the forum/news feed: https://bbs.archlinux32.org and https://news.archlinux32.org
[13:24:11] <phrik> Title: Arch Linux 32 Forums (at bbs.archlinux32.org)
[13:24:21] <tyzoid> but we'd like to get the navbar to be uniform cross-site
[13:24:39] <Polichronucci> nope haven't seen :-/ sorry
[13:24:48] <tyzoid> I can merge that change in, but I was curious as to the process of getting it updated on the site
[13:24:57] <deep42thought> Ha, got your mail!
[13:25:00] <tyzoid> nice
[13:25:07] <deep42thought> so from rewbycraft
[13:25:08] <rewbycraft> Jun 23 11:35:13 postcard postfix/smtp[19839]: 1E8F943AD9: to=<deep42thought@archlinux32.org>, relay=mail.archlinux32.org[2a02:2770:11:0:21a:4aff:fe0c:9a37]:25, delay=571, delays=571/0.01/0.12/0.3, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as CDCC8A2A02)
[13:25:09] <rewbycraft> Saw it
[13:25:24] <rewbycraft> Polichronucci: What does your mail server think of mine?
[13:25:34] <rewbycraft> I *think* it's correctly setup
[13:27:05] <tyzoid> hmm, I don't think it resent the mail yet
[13:27:11] <rewbycraft> Takes 5 minutes
[13:27:22] <tyzoid> rewbycraft, It's been 6
[13:27:46] <rewbycraft> Maybe your timeout's a bit longer
[13:27:57] <deep42thought> or worse: a bit shorter
[13:28:11] <deep42thought> but then you should see it in the logs ...
[13:28:15] <tyzoid> I don't see anything in the log that would indicate sending it again
[13:28:45] <rewbycraft> Can you find the log entry for the email that has status=somethign in it.
[13:28:57] <rewbycraft> If it says status=deferred, it'll retry eventually
[13:30:03] <Polichronucci> rewbycraft: there seems to be no problem
[13:30:15] <rewbycraft> Excellent
[13:30:26] <rewbycraft> I think mine shows up with a stupidely long hostname
[13:30:27] <Polichronucci> it tries through IPv6, then IPv4 as it should
[13:30:39] <rewbycraft> Nice. I set it to always try v6 first
[13:30:43] <rewbycraft> Because I'm a v6 proponen
[13:30:45] <rewbycraft> *proponent
[13:30:46] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: Jun 23 07:22:37 cdn postfix/smtp[8961]: BBE6318208CF: to=<deep42thought@archlinux32.org>, relay=mail2.archlinux32.org[]:25, delay=64, delays=0.06/0/63/0.38, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as F0B6F5989213)
[13:30:54] <rewbycraft> Yay
[13:30:57] <tyzoid> So it thinks it's already sent
[13:30:58] <rewbycraft> Just took a while
[13:30:59] <tyzoid> not yay
[13:31:03] <rewbycraft> Oh
[13:31:05] <tyzoid> that was the original message sent
[13:31:11] <rewbycraft> Yeah, it thinks it's already sent
[13:31:13] <rewbycraft> That's not good
[13:31:19] <rewbycraft> But look at the relay
[13:31:25] <rewbycraft> It's using the backup MX
[13:32:17] <tyzoid> !ptpb
[13:32:18] <phrik> “<command> 2>&1 | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw” OR “curl -F c=@path/to/a/file https://ptpb.pw” OR install community/pbpst
[13:32:34] <Polichronucci> tyzoid: I got an email just now
[13:32:39] <Polichronucci> it went through
[13:32:49] <tyzoid> really?
[13:32:56] <tyzoid> I don't see that in the logs at all...
[13:32:58] <rewbycraft> Polichronucci: I think it was sent to the backup MX. Wasn't it?
[13:33:28] <deep42thought> yes, I think, I saw it here
[13:33:47] <tyzoid> Polichronucci, rewbycraft: https://ptpb.pw
[13:33:49] <Polichronucci> yep it is not my IP
[13:33:53] <tyzoid> That's all I see...
[13:33:58] <tyzoid> I don't see the resent message
[13:34:10] <deep42thought> it's this one: message-id=<20170623112133.BBE6318208CF@cdn.tyzoid.com>
[13:34:31] <tyzoid> that's the original message
[13:34:51] <tyzoid> should there be a new log line for resent @rewbycraft?
[13:35:45] <rewbycraft> Well... Your MX sent it to mail2.archlinux.org
[13:35:49] <rewbycraft> And I don't know who runs that
[13:35:57] <rewbycraft> But that MX probably did the hold-off
[13:36:01] <deep42thought> I do
[13:36:12] <deep42thought> and I saw your message passing, stuck in greylisting
[13:36:18] <Polichronucci> tyzoid: I got an email from www-data to deep42... I went though 11.31 UTC
[13:36:18] <deep42thought> and am looking for the resent currently
[13:37:09] <deep42thought> Jun 23 13:31:58 45186 postfix/smtp[31634]: F0B6F5989213: to=<deep42thought@archlinux32.org>, relay=mail.archlinux32.org[2a02:2770:11:0:21a:4aff:fe0c:9a37]:25, delay=562, delays=561/0.02/0.23/0.12, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 464FFA2A02)
[13:37:15] <deep42thought> there it is
[13:37:24] <deep42thought> I don't have greylisting on the backup mail server
[13:39:02] <deep42thought> Polichronucci: did the mail pass your server afterwards? I can't find it here again O.o
[13:40:10] <Polichronucci> deep42thought: it must be the above log, time seems correct
[13:40:11] <deep42thought> ah, I see it now
[13:40:47] <deep42thought> no, the above log was my server (=mail2.archlinux32.org) sending it to archlinux32.org (=mail.archlinux32.org)
[13:40:55] <deep42thought> it even arrived in my postbox
[13:40:57] <deep42thought> \o/
[13:41:37] <Polichronucci> tyzoid: the log you sent says the connection was timed out on both mail.archlinux32.org and mail2.archlinux32.org
[13:42:04] <Polichronucci> hmmm then it got a connection to mail2
[13:42:17] <deep42thought> via ipv4
[13:42:21] <Polichronucci> yep
[13:42:45] <Polichronucci> but why did mail2 try to send it to the primary
[13:42:57] <deep42thought> it does always
[13:43:00] <deep42thought> shouldn't it?
[13:43:43] <Polichronucci> this is something I don't really know
[13:43:52] <Polichronucci> your most likely right
[13:43:58] <deep42thought> it does not generate redundancy, it simply caches mail
[13:44:10] <deep42thought> if mail.* is unavailable
[13:45:29] <Polichronucci> yeah your right
[13:46:07] <Polichronucci> otherwise how should the actual mailboxes synchronize
[13:46:08] <tyzoid> so, no problems then with my mail?
[13:46:19] <Polichronucci> tyzoid: I think we 're ok
[13:46:36] <deep42thought> but I don't understand, why it din't reach the servers in the first round
[13:46:43] <deep42thought> maybe we don't listen on ipv6?
[13:46:50] <tyzoid> Polichronucci: cool. Also, do you support PHP on www.archlinux32.org? Or is it just static?
[13:47:41] <Polichronucci> right now its just statix
[13:47:45] <Polichronucci> static*
[13:47:59] <Polichronucci> but we could run a php-fpm server
[13:48:24] <deep42thought> maybe it's worth trying to get archweb running (or parts of it)?
[13:50:01] <Polichronucci> deep42thought: the connection from backup mailserver to primary went over IPv6
[13:50:20] <Polichronucci> so I guess IPv6 works
[13:50:23] <deep42thought> and I'm listening on ipv6 (says nmap)
[13:50:36] <deep42thought> tyzoid: maybe there's an ipv6 problem on your end?
[13:54:33] <Polichronucci> deep42thought: we could put archweb sure
[13:55:40] <deep42thought> anyone got any free valences? ;-)
[13:57:12] <deep42thought> I tried to get it running locally once, but failed :-(
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[14:02:05] <deep42thought> ok, just had a look at archlinuxarm, and they simply source the PKGBUILD: https://github.com
[14:02:06] <phrik> Title: plugbuild/pkgsource.sh at master · archlinuxarm/plugbuild · GitHub (at github.com)
[14:02:22] <deep42thought> so I'll do the same then (+ arch-nspawn + overlayfs)
[14:02:46] <tyzoid> deep42thought: I don't have an ipv6 on that server
[14:02:50] <tyzoid> so could that be it
[14:03:02] <deep42thought> yes
[14:03:05] <tyzoid> I'll brb in about an hour, so see ya later
[14:03:06] <Polichronucci> tyzoid: that's surely it :D
[14:03:09] <tyzoid> I'll read the logs
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[14:03:14] <deep42thought> cu later!
[14:23:46] <rewbycraft> o/
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[15:02:10] <tyzoid> back rewbycraft and deep42thought
[15:02:18] <deep42thought> welcome back!
[15:03:11] <tyzoid> so I'm not sure what the ipv6 problem is?
[15:03:23] <tyzoid> If I read the log correctly, it's not a problem
[15:03:32] <tyzoid> because the service is listening on ipv4
[15:04:24] <deep42thought> yeah, but you first get two timeouts on ipv6
[15:04:41] <deep42thought> then you retry on ipv4 (with mail2 for whatever reason) and get through
[15:05:04] <tyzoid> hmm
[15:05:16] <tyzoid> I'll have to see why it's doing that
[15:06:07] <tyzoid> deep42thought: Alright, just disabled ipv6 from postfix
[15:06:13] <tyzoid> Mind if I try sending something again?
[15:06:19] <deep42thought> np, do it
[15:07:30] <deep42thought> it's here
[15:07:39] <tyzoid> deep42thought: Yup, disabling ipv6 fixed the timeouts
[15:07:56] <tyzoid> and it went to the primary relay this time
[15:07:59] <tyzoid> relay=mail.archlinux32.org
[15:08:04] <deep42thought> hmm
[15:12:57] <deep42thought> this seems like a hack to me
[15:13:19] <tyzoid> deep42thought: How so? My server doesn't have an ipv6 address, so limiting postfix to ipv4 doesn't sound like a hack
[15:13:36] <deep42thought> ah, it does not have ipv6, ok, then it's fine
[15:15:32] <tyzoid> so deep42thought: Is there a process to get my key signed?
[15:16:15] <deep42thought> I can sign it as soon as I'm at home, for the other devs, you need to ask City-busz and Polichronucci
[15:16:38] <deep42thought> sry, I didn't read your posts as "please sign my key"
[15:16:58] <tyzoid> deep42thought: That's because that wasn't my intention
[15:17:13] <tyzoid> I was asking for more info first to make sure I had the right setup
[15:18:02] <deep42thought> you need a pgp key which you'll later want to use to sign your packages - I don't know your preferences upon that, but personally I like to keep multiple keys for different purposes
[15:18:43] <tyzoid> deep42thought: I already have my key in the public registry via the mit keyserver and keybase
[15:18:55] <tyzoid> I could create a new one for package signing if you think it's helpful
[15:19:01] <tyzoid> but I'd need a new email for that key
[15:19:08] <tyzoid> right?
[15:19:20] <deep42thought> the email does not need to be (a) real and (b) distinct
[15:19:34] <tyzoid> hmm, interesting
[15:19:48] <deep42thought> however, if you already have a valid package signing key (in archlinux-keyring), then you can just use that
[15:19:54] <tyzoid> I do not
[15:20:07] <tyzoid> if i did, this would be easy :)
[15:20:21] <deep42thought> if we keep the archlinux-keyring dependency in pacman
[15:20:26] <deep42thought> (which we currently do)
[15:20:40] <tyzoid> also, not to mention my key is behind a firewall so I need to ssh-tunnel around it :/
[15:20:53] <tyzoid> makes it a bit more annoying, but eh
[15:21:16] <Polichronucci> deep42thought: you got a usb key right?
[15:21:26] <deep42thought> smart card
[15:21:33] <deep42thought> but only the master key is on the smart card
[15:21:45] <Polichronucci> do you have a link?
[15:21:47] <deep42thought> the package signing key is on my build slaves - obviously
[15:23:07] <deep42thought> I think, it' that one: 194E37A47A4C671807BACB37B1117BC1094EA6E9
[15:23:32] <deep42thought> Polichronucci: but you already sent me an email encrypted to that key and I answered, didn't I?
[15:23:52] <tyzoid> deep42thought and Polichronucci: Do you think there's value in me having an @archlinux32.org email?
[15:24:00] <deep42thought> sure
[15:24:11] <Polichronucci> ah sorry I meant a link of the actual smart-card
[15:24:16] <deep42thought> oh
[15:24:20] <rewbycraft> What would you use it for, tyzoid?
[15:24:35] <rewbycraft> That said, it'd probably look better to have tyzoid@archlinux32.org as the forum admin email
[15:24:59] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: That, and for keeping my alerts inbox clear of other messages
[15:25:01] <deep42thought> contributors should get a archlinux32.org email address
[15:25:12] <tyzoid> I use tyzoid.d@gmail.com for my automated server alerts, among a few other things
[15:25:15] <rewbycraft> Fair
[15:25:23] <rewbycraft> What do you mean with "contributor"?
[15:25:34] <deep42thought> e.g. devs
[15:25:39] <rewbycraft> Ah fair enough
[15:26:05] <tyzoid> Polichronucci: I assume you would be the one to set that up?
[15:26:17] <rewbycraft> Couldn't you also maybe get freenode to do custom vhosts?
[15:26:20] <rewbycraft> Like the main arch project has
[15:26:35] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: freenode vhosts?
[15:26:52] <rewbycraft> If you do a /whois on some arch devs, you'll see what I mean
[15:27:06] <deep42thought> Polichronucci: https://www.floss-shop.de and the reader: https://www.floss-shop.de
[15:27:08] <phrik> Title: OpenPGP Smart Card V2.1 | Security / Privacy | FLOSS Shop DE (at www.floss-shop.de)
[15:27:14] <rewbycraft> Their irc clients all show up as something@archlinux/developer/something
[15:27:16] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: I think I know what you mean now
[15:27:25] <rewbycraft> And the channel ops all show up at something@arlinux/op/something
[15:28:13] <deep42thought> Polichronucci: it's the gnupg smartcard, but maybe you prefer a non-german distributer
[15:29:03] <deep42thought> tyzoid rewbycraft: it's a nice gimmick, but what advantages does it have besides nice /whois resolution?
[15:29:12] <rewbycraft> Nothing
[15:29:17] <deep42thought> lol
[15:29:18] <rewbycraft> Was more of a joke suggestion anyway
[15:30:36] <rewbycraft> But yeah, I'll be quiet. You guys are the ones in charge anyway
[15:31:13] <deep42thought> if you get it set up, I have no problem with that - just maybe there are more important things to do?
[15:31:35] <rewbycraft> I know, as I said. It was a joke more than anything
[15:31:37] <Polichronucci> hehe :P
[15:31:54] <rewbycraft> I still don't quite know just how the project's organised in the first place
[15:31:59] <rewbycraft> But I do enjoy helping out
[15:32:05] <tyzoid> What organization?
[15:32:08] <Polichronucci> tyzoid: you want tyzoid@archlinux32.org --> tyzoid.d@gmail.com
[15:32:22] <tyzoid> Polichronucci: I'd prefer it be a separate inbox via pop/imap, if possible
[15:32:33] <deep42thought> rewbycraft: you're taking part in the organization - if you'll figure out how it works, let me know
[15:32:46] <rewbycraft> deep42thought: Wonderful...
[15:32:51] <Polichronucci> right now it's just an alias, no mailbox for archlinux32.org
[15:32:57] <tyzoid> Ah
[15:33:06] <rewbycraft> Can your server not do mailboxes?
[15:33:13] <tyzoid> In that case, can you map it to tyzoid.d+archlinux32@gmail.com?
[15:33:22] <Polichronucci> tyzoid: sure
[15:33:47] <tyzoid> Though, not sure how sending would work in that case
[15:33:55] <Polichronucci> rewbycraft: it can but I think it's better to just user aliases
[15:34:07] <rewbycraft> Why is it better to just use aliases?
[15:34:08] <Polichronucci> easier migration etc
[15:34:20] <rewbycraft> What do you mean with easier migration?
[15:34:23] <rewbycraft> Migration to what?
[15:34:34] <Polichronucci> if we ever need to migrate the server somewhere else
[15:34:51] <rewbycraft> Just rsync over the mail dir?
[15:34:52] <rewbycraft> It's not hard
[15:35:02] <rewbycraft> I've moved my server a handful of times
[15:35:02] <Polichronucci> and no data is on my machine so everyone is in charge of his/her own data
[15:35:13] <Polichronucci> rewbycraft: what if it crashed
[15:35:17] <rewbycraft> Backups?
[15:35:31] <tyzoid> backups are for newbs
[15:35:37] <Polichronucci> tyzoid: +1
[15:35:37] <tyzoid> My server never crashes
[15:35:40] <rewbycraft> I keep backups of my MX
[15:35:44] <Polichronucci> :P
[15:35:46] <Polichronucci> just joking
[15:35:52] <Polichronucci> I have backups setup
[15:36:05] <deep42thought> I've used my backups quite a few times
[15:36:09] <tyzoid> $ uptime
[15:36:11] <deep42thought> deleted / or /home accidentally
[15:36:12] <tyzoid> 08:35:59 up 196 days, 16:47, 1 user, load average: 0.15, 0.07, 0.06y
[15:36:21] <rewbycraft> I've never had to use my backups
[15:36:24] <rewbycraft> Which I'm glad for
[15:36:38] <Polichronucci> but I feel more comfortable not owning other peoples data, for a few reasons
[15:36:44] <rewbycraft> Fair enough
[15:36:47] <tyzoid> Fair
[15:37:08] <deep42thought> Polichronucci: I think the alias solution is best
[15:37:10] <Polichronucci> still I dont really see the point in using mailboxes, everyone already has an email
[15:37:17] <deep42thought> exactly
[15:37:30] <deep42thought> ... well, maybe some one does not?
[15:38:05] <tyzoid> For me, it's nice to keep inboxes separate
[15:38:33] <tyzoid> That's why I have two different work emails and three different personal emails
[15:38:39] <rewbycraft> ^
[15:38:48] <rewbycraft> It's why I have a separate email just for mailinglists
[15:39:04] <tyzoid> My primary one is the only one I keep clean
[15:40:44] <Polichronucci> I use one personal and one for everything else, and I do use ALOT of filters on both
[15:41:00] <tyzoid> deep42thought: Do you have an expiration on your build key?
[15:41:09] <deep42thought> yes
[15:41:15] <deep42thought> 2 years, i think
[15:41:17] <deep42thought> lemme check
[15:41:23] <tyzoid> I was just about to put 2y in
[15:41:39] <deep42thought> yes, 2y
[15:41:46] <tyzoid> I generated one, but then I saw it generated a 2048bit key that never expires
[15:41:54] <tyzoid> and I'm like, nah man
[15:42:07] <tyzoid> gpg has some wierd defaults
[15:42:11] <deep42thought> 2048 bit should be safe until the end of the world
[15:42:16] <tyzoid> ehh
[15:42:27] <tyzoid> bruce schier revoked his 2048 one and generated a 4096 one
[15:42:29] <deep42thought> maybe until the end of rsa ...
[15:42:29] <tyzoid> so...
[15:45:28] <deep42thought> I once had some fun time and generated rsa keys upto 64k ...
[15:47:17] <tyzoid> Does network traffic generate entropy on /dev/random ?
[15:47:25] <deep42thought> I think so
[15:47:38] <tyzoid> I'm trying to generate some entropy over ssh, so I'm piping /dev/random from my local machine through ssh into cat
[15:47:41] <deep42thought> usually I 'dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null'
[15:47:41] <tyzoid> and I'm not sure if it's working
[15:55:33] <tyzoid> hmm
[15:55:43] <tyzoid> and writing to /dev/random doesn't seem to be helping either...
[15:57:45] <tyzoid> deep42thought: Any ideas?
[15:57:50] <Polichronucci> dd if=/dev/sda of=/DELETE_ME.img bs=1024 count=1000
[15:58:01] <tyzoid> Polichronucci: I can't dd from /dev/sda
[15:58:08] <deep42thought> su?
[15:58:14] <Polichronucci> yeah why not?
[15:58:19] <tyzoid> It's a VPS
[15:58:23] <tyzoid> wait, nvm
[15:58:25] <tyzoid> this is a desktop
[15:58:30] <tyzoid> what am I thinknig
[15:58:37] <deep42thought> dd whatever is your root partition
[15:59:07] <Polichronucci> even on a VPS you should have a device where root resides
[15:59:22] <tyzoid> On KVM, but not on openVZ
[16:00:01] <rewbycraft> openvz vps?
[16:00:20] <tyzoid> anyway
[16:00:24] <tyzoid> this is on a physical machine
[16:00:28] <tyzoid> so not sure why this is't working
[16:00:45] <tyzoid> dd if=/dev/sda of to anywhere isn't working...
[16:00:49] <tyzoid> neither is writing to /dev/random
[16:01:11] <Polichronucci> /dev/random is read-only, right?
[16:01:21] <tyzoid> It's a block device, like /dev/null
[16:01:34] <tyzoid> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 8 Jun 5 22:54 random
[16:01:36] <tyzoid> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 9 Jun 5 22:54 urandom
[16:01:41] <tyzoid> *character device
[16:02:54] <Polichronucci> hmmm ok, and how does that help? is it equivalent to "$ dd of=/dev/null"?
[16:03:21] <tyzoid> Supposedly it's supposed to help reseed the number generator
[16:03:24] <tyzoid> https://pthree.org
[16:03:25] <phrik> Title: Aaron Toponce : Use /dev/random Instead Of /dev/null (at pthree.org)
[16:04:01] <tyzoid> Now that I look at it again, it seems to help a bit
[16:04:05] <tyzoid> but it goes soooo slowly
[16:06:22] <tyzoid> gpg: agent_genkey failed: Timeout
[16:06:24] <tyzoid> Key generation failed: Timeout
[16:06:25] <tyzoid> :(
[16:06:28] <deep42thought> :-(
[16:06:54] <tyzoid> I'm just going to fire up vnc and move the mouse aruond
[16:07:01] <tyzoid> this is rediculus, though
[16:07:12] <tyzoid> pardon my misspelling of that word
[16:07:15] <tyzoid> I can never get it right
[16:08:40] <Polichronucci> tyzoid: haveged helps a lot
[16:08:47] <deep42thought> but is unsafe
[16:09:21] <Polichronucci> is it? I searched around a bit and it seems to be recommended... :-/
[16:09:55] <deep42thought> well, think about it: you generate a little entropy and then "boost" it via prng - that does not gain you entropy
[16:10:31] <deep42thought> either you have entropy in your system, then you do not need it, or you don't, then you won't get it with haveged
[16:10:50] <deep42thought> maybe the formulation is a little harsh, but that's what I think
[16:12:34] <Polichronucci> mathematically speaking it is supposed to be chaotic, so with a little difference to some data it magnifies it, it does it in such a way that it is very close to a human moving a mouse (which in a way isn't all that random)
[16:12:59] <rewbycraft> I thought haveged used some tricks involving irregularities in CPU timing?
[16:13:12] <Polichronucci> I'm not arguing against you, I honestly don't know much, but this is how it is in my head
[16:13:13] <deep42thought> they use cpu timings
[16:13:27] <deep42thought> but on a vm it might be disabled and give very poor entropy
[16:13:36] <Polichronucci> rewbycraft: yeah it uses various things, but the concept is the above
[16:13:46] <Polichronucci> deep42thought: never thought if it that way
[16:13:49] <Polichronucci> :-/
[16:14:36] <deep42thought> it's the question how paranoid you are
[16:14:47] <deep42thought> for some use cases, haveged might be perfect
[16:15:10] <deep42thought> but usually I'm at the paranoid end of the scale
[16:15:18] <tyzoid> just installed haveged, and it worked
[16:15:23] <deep42thought> :-)
[16:15:56] <tyzoid> though I was surprised
[16:16:02] <tyzoid> there's lots of sources of available entropy
[16:16:07] <tyzoid> but it doesn't seem to be utilizing them
[16:16:29] <tyzoid> like why can't it use rfi noise from the wifi adapter?
[16:16:56] <tyzoid> and I assume rowhammer could be abused for rng purposes
[16:17:28] <tyzoid> and I'm surprised why writing directly to /dev/random wasn't working
[16:18:23] <deep42thought> this is strange
[16:18:42] <deep42thought> maybe it's due to the virtualization?
[16:18:48] <deep42thought> does it block that kernel interface
[16:18:51] <deep42thought> ?
[16:19:16] <tyzoid> It's not virtualized
[16:19:20] <tyzoid> I got confused for a sec
[16:19:25] <tyzoid> This is my desktop at home behind a firewall
[16:19:26] <deep42thought> oh
[16:19:34] <deep42thought> hmm, even stranger
[16:19:37] <tyzoid> I route the ssh connection through my vps to get around the firewall
[16:19:56] <tyzoid> Yeah
[16:20:00] <tyzoid> that's why I was saying
[16:20:11] <tyzoid> anyway
[16:20:16] <tyzoid> time to sign/publish the key
[16:20:34] <deep42thought> I'll be at home in ~1-2h, then I can sign it
[16:23:10] <tyzoid> sweet
[16:23:23] <tyzoid> I'm going to attach it to my keybase profile
[16:23:30] <tyzoid> but the fingerprint is 74EDA3C6B06D0506
[16:33:06] <Polichronucci> tyzoid: I will sign it tonight
[16:34:02] <tyzoid> Thanks Polichronucci
[16:34:15] <Polichronucci> well I'm off, speak to you later
[16:34:24] <tyzoid> And Polichronucci: Both my keys are on https://keybase.io
[16:34:26] <phrik> Title: Tyler Dence (tyzoid) | Keybase (at keybase.io)
[16:34:28] <tyzoid> Alright, see ya
[16:34:42] <Polichronucci> ok I will check tonight
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[17:40:17] <tyzoid> Polichronucci: Are you still on?
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[18:07:45] <Polichronucci> tyzoid: I am now for a bit
[18:20:40] <tyzoid> Polichronucci: Do you have a keybase profile?
[18:21:08] <tyzoid> (sorry, was out for a meeting)
[18:26:20] <Polichronucci> tyzoid: nope
[18:29:05] <deep42thought> btw: I'd like to upload some tar balls of sources for packages (archlinux32-keyring, pacman-mirrorlist, devtools32) somewhere, so we can have the signatures next to the tarballs - where do you think is the best place for that?
[18:29:30] <tyzoid> Polichronucci: I would suggest you take a look at it. It has a method for sharing files between people using their public keys
[18:29:42] <tyzoid> deep42thought: the git repo?
[18:30:06] <Polichronucci> tyzoid: I'm looking at it now :D
[18:30:06] <tyzoid> or a sources directory on the mirror if you want it to sync globally
[18:30:38] <tyzoid> Polichronucci: I sent you an invite code. Not sure if they're still required
[18:30:41] <tyzoid> but I have 'em
[18:31:01] <tyzoid> same goes for you deep42thought, I'd suggest you take a look at keybase
[18:31:06] <deep42thought> tyzoid: mirroring should not be necessary and on github I was unable to put signatures next to the tarballs
[18:31:30] <tyzoid> deep42thought: Not sure why git would fail
[18:31:54] <Polichronucci> have you heard of https://github.com
[18:31:56] <phrik> Title: GitHub - warner/magic-wormhole: get things from one computer to another, safely (at github.com)
[18:32:18] <Polichronucci> I use it a lot and it seems to do fine for file small in size
[18:33:45] <tyzoid> Polichronucci: That's interesting
[18:33:52] <tyzoid> except the keybase system will keep the files there
[18:34:05] <tyzoid> you can actually make a publicly accesible site using it
[18:36:04] <tyzoid> Polichronucci: see https://tyzoid.keybase.pub
[18:36:06] <phrik> Title: Tyzoid's Keybase Page (at tyzoid.keybase.pub)
[18:36:37] <tyzoid> Everything there is signed with my private key
[18:36:47] <tyzoid> so the keybase system automatically verifies that it's from me
[18:42:04] <Polichronucci> aaah so its not encrypted but signed
[18:46:46] <tyzoid> There is an encrypted private folder, Polichronucci
[18:47:03] <tyzoid> That's how you privately share files between users
[18:47:18] <tyzoid> but the public folder, by virtue of being public can't be encrypted
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[20:31:19] <deep42thought> tyzoid, btw: I signed your key
[20:31:29] <tyzoid> sweet
[20:31:41] <deep42thought> so just drop me a note when you have the signature from Polichronucci and City-busz and I'll add it to archlinux32-keyring
[20:31:57] <tyzoid> Okay. Can you send me the signed key?
[20:32:15] <deep42thought> it's uploaded
[20:32:24] <tyzoid> I'd like to get the signed key up on the keyservers
[20:32:30] <tyzoid> uploaded, where?
[20:32:36] <deep42thought> hkp://pgp.mit.edu
[20:32:39] <tyzoid> ah
[20:32:42] <tyzoid> carry on then
[20:32:45] <tyzoid> thanks!
[20:42:35] <Polichronucci> tyzoid: I uploaded your key signed by mine too
[20:42:44] <tyzoid> Sweet
[20:42:48] <tyzoid> Only one more to go then
[20:55:37] <deep42thought> City-busz: are you there?
[20:55:47] <City-busz> deep42thought: yes
[20:56:05] <deep42thought> good, can you sign tyzoids key?
[20:56:49] <tyzoid> City-busz: Key signature is 74EDA3C6B06D0506
[20:56:57] <tyzoid> Provably me via https://keybase.io
[20:56:58] <phrik> Title: Tyler Dence (tyzoid) | Keybase (at keybase.io)
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[23:32:32] <tyzoid> I'll be back on later, heading out now.
[23:33:01] <deep42thought> I'm probably not much online over the weekend
[23:33:16] <deep42thought> so: cu on monday!
[23:33:23] <tyzoid> City-busz: Please let me know once you've signed the key
[23:33:32] <tyzoid> alright, have fun deep42thought
[23:33:41] <deep42thought> City-busz: even better: let me know :-)
[23:34:00] <tyzoid> I'll make a post on the mailing list about the forum once I get the homepage updated on git
[23:34:04] <City-busz> tyzoid: tomorrow I'll check your key
[23:34:10] <tyzoid> City-busz: Sweet
[23:34:36] <tyzoid> City-busz: Let me know if you need additional proof
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