#archlinux-ports | Logs for 2017-10-29

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[01:30:47] <eschwartz[m]> pulec: firefox cannot compile and will not run, without sse2 AFAIK
[01:31:12] <eschwartz[m]> supporting i686 is one thing, supporting no-sse2 is another
[01:47:11] <rewbycraft> tyzoid: New server? Nice
[02:06:45] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: yup. Still need to set it up.
[02:10:17] <rewbycraft> tyzoid: Very nice. Who are you using to host it?
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[02:48:53] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: dacentec. A guy I know has been using them for a while, and recommended them to me
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[17:04:02] <pulec> hmm, so any idea for browser not requiring sse2?
[17:04:08] <pulec> with a gui
[17:11:39] <tyzoid> pulec: did you try konqueror?
[17:11:50] <pulec> not yet
[17:13:19] <tyzoid> pulec: I don't know off the top of my head whether it requires sse2, but I'm assuming you've tried chromium/firefox
[17:13:33] <pulec> yeah, qutebrowser
[17:13:46] <tyzoid> pulec: https://www.neowin.net
[17:13:54] <tyzoid> "FWIW, and to answer my own question, Konqueror does work on a machine that doesn't have the SSE2 instruction set, but it does nothing but crash and burn"
[17:13:55] <tyzoid> So yymv
[17:13:58] <tyzoid> ymmv*
[17:14:55] <pulec> crash and burn.
[17:15:03] <pulec> palemoon could work tho
[17:15:24] <tyzoid> pulec: I saw that, and their website says that they "cut compatability with really old systems"
[17:15:37] <tyzoid> pulec: https://www.palemoon.org
[17:15:49] <tyzoid> "Pale Moon is a middle road, cutting away support for particularly old hardware and operating systems to achieve a significant speed and efficiency increase, but not trying to squeeze the last few percent more out of it by limiting the range of systems it will run on even more"
[17:15:50] <pulec> :D
[17:16:09] <tyzoid> so not sure there
[17:16:10] <pulec> its really old, yeah
[17:16:16] <tyzoid> can't hurt to try
[17:16:22] <tyzoid> they claim to support html5/css3 though
[17:16:35] <tyzoid> so maaayyyybbeeeeeee??
[17:34:23] <eschwartz> pale moon is even less compatible with anything than Firefox is
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[17:57:04] <vboxler> Maintenance
[17:57:06] <vboxler> The forums are temporarily down for maintenance. Please try again in a few minutes.
[17:57:30] <vboxler> every time the forum is down, this is not good
[17:57:54] <fsckd> they switched to a new server recently
[17:58:28] <vboxler> than i hope for future it works better
[17:58:39] <vboxler> thank you, cu
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[18:23:49] <rewbycraft> tyzoid: You moving the forum right now?
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[21:19:15] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: Yeah
[21:19:35] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: My VPS host changed IPs on me, and somehow disconnected it from the network
[21:19:42] <tyzoid> so I restored the nightly backup to the new dedi
[21:19:57] <tyzoid> but I'm waiting for the server to come back so I can grab the most recent database
[21:20:06] <tyzoid> since there were a few posts made after the backup
[21:28:17] <deep42thought> https://buildmaster.archlinux32.org
[21:29:05] <deep42thought> I have no idea, by what this may be caused
[21:29:22] <deep42thought> i just read about textrels a day or two ago ...
[21:29:28] <tyzoid> deep42thought: What is that list of?
[21:30:48] <deep42thought> these are namcap logs indicating that the package contains ELF files with text relocations
[21:31:08] <deep42thought> more details can be obtained here: https://buildmaster.archlinux32.org
[21:36:00] <deep42thought> I'm not even sure that this is something we should fix
[21:36:29] <tyzoid> ok
[21:36:49] <tyzoid> hey deep42thought, with cdn3.tyzoid.com being down, can you change the hostname of the backup script to srv0.tyzoid.com?
[21:36:58] <tyzoid> All other details should remain the same
[21:38:27] <deep42thought> should I set up a cname, so we have less to change in the future?
[21:40:58] <deep42thought> ok, backups look good
[21:42:01] <deep42thought> I'll go to bed now
[21:42:13] <deep42thought> if there's something else, I'll read the logs tomorrow morning
[21:42:26] <deep42thought> (if there's nothing else, I'll read the logs, too)
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[22:01:10] <tyzoid> lol. I don't have a cname set up for the backup service, but I'd probably set it up as a SRV record, so we can also grab port information.
[22:01:43] <tyzoid> In a little bit, I'll be changing it so it backs up direct to the dedicated server, instead of proxying the backups through it.
[22:01:54] <tyzoid> I'll pull down copies of the archive periodically after that
[22:09:56] <rewbycraft> tyzoid: Why on earth would they change ips on you?
[22:11:20] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: I suspect it's some sort of error with their system
[22:11:35] <tyzoid> Last time they changed IPs, it was a datacenter migration, and they told us 2 weeks in advance
[22:12:37] <tyzoid> I was going to migrate my stuff over to the new dedi anyway
[22:12:42] <tyzoid> but this is as good of a time as any
[22:12:46] <tyzoid> since they're all down anyway
[22:14:11] <rewbycraft> Fair
[22:14:17] <rewbycraft> What's the specs on the dedi, btw?
[22:14:20] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: The funny thing is that their engineers have been "working on the problem" for about 6 hrs now.
[22:14:42] <rewbycraft> That happens
[22:14:49] <rewbycraft> Example: If your main switch dies
[22:15:05] <rewbycraft> And the smart hands are, as always, not being smart
[22:15:39] <tyzoid> 16G ram, two of these: https://ark.intel.com
[22:15:44] <tyzoid> It was cheap, since it's EOL hardware
[22:15:50] <tyzoid> but they guarantee it for a year
[22:15:58] <tyzoid> plus it's a rental, so idc
[22:16:05] <tyzoid> 2x1tb hdds
[22:16:14] <tyzoid> in software raid 1
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[22:17:08] <tyzoid> It was $300 up front for the year, which is ~$25/mo
[22:17:38] <tyzoid> I would have been more skeptical, if it weren't for a recommendation of a trusted IT acquantence
[22:17:59] <tyzoid> acquaintance*
[22:19:03] <tyzoid> I almost put arch on it, but I decided ubuntu 16.04LTS-Server
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[22:19:24] <tyzoid> All of my server management scripts were designed for ubuntu/the way it organizes its fs
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[22:21:04] <rewbycraft> L5420s sheesh
[22:21:06] <rewbycraft> That's ancient
[22:21:24] <rewbycraft> How the heck is that economical to run
[22:21:35] <rewbycraft> Those kinda boxes take 400W at *idle*
[22:21:47] <rewbycraft> where even L5520 boxes take maybe 1/4th of that
[22:21:55] <rewbycraft> And are more powerful
[22:22:06] <rewbycraft> I really wonder how much dacentec pays for power
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[22:26:42] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: no idea. Not my problem, since they're on an SLA.
[22:26:59] <tyzoid> plus, they're still selling the box, so they're somehow making it up.
[22:27:36] <tyzoid> I mostly needed more storage/bandwidth, so processing wasn't a big issue for me.
[22:28:55] <rewbycraft> Fair
[22:29:15] <rewbycraft> Just make sure to keep backups
[22:29:38] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: Yup. That's how I'm able to migrate data from a down server :P
[22:31:23] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: You mentioned that this could happen if their main switch dies, but they're reporting no network outages
[22:31:25] <tyzoid> so idk
[22:32:00] <rewbycraft> I didn't say that ip renumbering means dead switch
[22:32:05] <rewbycraft> I said that 6hr downtime happs
[22:32:07] <rewbycraft> *happens
[22:32:13] <rewbycraft> I've seen it happen when switches die
[22:32:22] <rewbycraft> So 6 hrs of "it's being worked on" isn't abnormal
[22:32:35] <rewbycraft> Or if the host you were on shit the bed and needs to be rebuilt
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[22:40:05] <isacdaavid> why are certain packages for "any" architecture (according to Arch) being built with arch=(i686) ? core/ca-certificates-cacert for instance
[22:41:37] <isacdaavid> also, mirrors contain two variants of core/automake-1.15.1-1, one for i686 and one for "any"
[22:45:19] <tyzoid> isacdaavid: the archlinux32 mirrors have the two variants?
[22:45:25] <tyzoid> are they in different repos, I hope?
[22:46:09] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: That's possible too.
[22:46:17] <tyzoid> Worst case, my stuff is 6 hrs out of date.
[22:49:46] <isacdaavid> tyzoid: i'm seeing that only the i686 version is part of the core .db, it's just the mirror that contains both files: https://mirror.archlinux32.org
[22:50:07] <tyzoid> hmm
[22:51:05] <isacdaavid> a leftover maybe from a re-build with arch=() changed? in any case, my first question still holds
[22:52:39] <tyzoid> isacdaavid: Is it causing problems for you?
[22:53:40] <isacdaavid> not really, just wanted to let you know
[22:54:09] <tyzoid> ok. tagging deep42thought, so he sees it when he greps through the logs in the morning.
[22:55:38] <isacdaavid> and know if a supposedly "any" package like automake has to be adapted to work on i686
[22:56:35] <isacdaavid> thanks
[22:57:00] <eschwartz> why would a bunch of perl scripts need to be an i686 package?
[22:57:36] <eschwartz> (I realize I should not ask logical questions of GNU)
[22:59:14] <eschwartz> And if it is being modified, why don't I see the changes in https://github.com
[22:59:34] <isacdaavid> good question
[23:52:36] <tyzoid> Forums have been restored fully
[23:53:18] <fsckd> \o/