#archlinux-ports | Logs for 2017-11-04

[00:17:32] <ZeroLinux> I noticed that qt5-base and some others is with version 5.9.1 but others with qt5-* are with version 5.9.2
[00:17:46] <ZeroLinux> How it happened?
[00:18:18] <ZeroLinux> How it allowed such kind of update?
[00:57:56] <tyzoid> ZeroLinux: Can you see if installing the other qt packages from the testing repo works?
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[03:38:26] <cmiller> Is anyone here?
[03:40:35] <cmiller> I came to see if anyone is going to continue to make 32 bit repositories available for Arch. If so, is there a way to edit the repository list to point to the community maintained ones?
[03:41:05] <fsckd> there are people here but they may be asleep.
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[04:05:51] <tyzoid> cmiller: follow the instructions on https://www.archlinux32.org
[04:05:53] <phrik> Title: Arch Linux 32 (at www.archlinux32.org)
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[08:07:28] <ZeroLinux> Today in the morning after pacman -Syy other packages in repos were updated to 5.9.1 version and system could download
[08:11:07] <ZeroLinux> it was these packages [2017-11-04 01:27] [ALPM] upgraded qt5-base (5.9.1-3 -> 5.9.2-1) [2017-11-04 01:27] [ALPM] upgraded qt5-xmlpatterns (5.9.1-2 -> 5.9.2-1) [2017-11-04 01:27] [ALPM] upgraded qt5-declarative (5.9.1-5 -> 5.9.2-2) [2017-11-04 01:27] [ALPM] upgraded qt5-multimedia (5.9.1-2 -> 5.9.2-1) [2017-11-04 01:27] [ALPM] upgraded qt5-quickcontrols (5.9.1-2 -> 5.9.2-1) [2017-11-04 01:27] [ALPM] upgraded qt5-svg (5.9.1
[08:11:31] <ZeroLinux> Why it happened at all?
[08:11:59] <ZeroLinux> Why pacman allowed partial upgrade?
[08:12:25] <ZeroLinux> How prevent this situation from happening in the future?
[08:18:14] <ZeroLinux> Another question: Is it possible to make on https://bbs.archlinux32.org a section "Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues" like it i s on https://bbs.archlinux.org
[08:18:16] <phrik> Title: Arch Linux 32 Forums (at bbs.archlinux32.org)
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[08:43:54] <deep42thought> ZeroLinux: I moved the testing qt5-*-5.9.2-* packages to stable, so all versions would be 5.9.2 (and not 5.9.1)
[08:45:32] <deep42thought> the problem is the dependency detection on the build master - if it fails to see that certain qt5-* packages depend on each other, it allows to move a (true) subset of them from (community-)testing to extra/community
[08:47:20] <deep42thought> actually, it _should_ see that these packages depend on each other, but apparently, I made a mistake :-/
[08:48:08] <deep42thought> additionally, I have to disable the dependency-check every now and then, because there are some packages which fail to build at all and then block other (more important) packages from being moved ...
[08:50:41] <ZeroLinux> Thank you. Do you think it is possible to avoid in the future?
[08:50:55] <deep42thought> I try to
[08:51:04] <deep42thought> actually, I already try right now
[08:59:28] <ZeroLinux> Thank you. I really appreciate your hard work!!! Thank you again
[09:00:14] <deep42thought> thanks - and don't stop complaining about any errors!
[09:00:25] <deep42thought> That's the only way, we can fix it
[09:01:51] <ZeroLinux> In the night I solved this problem on one pc with downgrade, actually upgrading 5.9.1 packages to 5.9.2
[09:02:09] <deep42thought> ok, then it should work now?
[09:02:15] <ZeroLinux> on another pc I was waiting until repos were updated
[09:02:16] <deep42thought> because all packages in stable are 5.9.2
[09:02:28] <ZeroLinux> yes, it works now
[09:03:20] <deep42thought> It's nice to see, some people use archlinux32 (I'll introduce intentional errors every now and then to get some feedback about user counts)
[09:03:23] <deep42thought> :-D
[09:06:42] <ZeroLinux> My friend has i686 pc and I introduced this archlinux32 project to him he likes arch very much
[09:07:04] <ZeroLinux> Now he is using it and notice speed and stability
[09:08:16] <ZeroLinux> this project is a salvation for people who like arch but have i686
[09:13:25] <deep42thought> well, that was the intention :-)
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[12:00:34] <ZeroLinux> Is there any way to add "Update problem" section to forum?
[12:28:58] <rewbycraft> That would be the "System Administration" section, wouldn't it?
[12:40:35] <ZeroLinux> in Arch forum it is in "Pacman Upgrades, Packaging & AUR" I would prefer to see it under "Technical Issues"
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[12:43:48] <rewbycraft> So it is.
[12:44:09] <rewbycraft> I could add the section. But I'll ask deep42thought or tyzoid for their opinion first.
[12:44:55] <ZeroLinux> Thank you. Many not IT specialists prefer forum instead IRC channels
[12:46:14] <rewbycraft> I usually prefer hanging around in irc and discord channels because it's more real-time. (And there is less of a requirement for me to form coherent messages.) But I know forums tend to be popular
[13:00:15] <ZeroLinux> I cannot make an update
[13:01:12] <ZeroLinux> :: Retrieving packages... virtualbox-guest-utils-5.2.0-1-i686 1090,2 KiB 1667K/s 00:01 [#############################################################################] 100% (2/2) checking keys in keyring [#########################################################
[13:01:51] <ZeroLinux> :: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/virtualbox-guest-utils-5.2.0-1-i686.pkg.tar.xz is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)).
[13:02:00] <ZeroLinux> After importing key
[13:03:40] <rewbycraft> Sounds like a download failure
[13:03:48] <rewbycraft> Try and remove the file in the cache
[13:03:55] <ZeroLinux> I did it
[13:03:57] <rewbycraft> (It's possible the mirror you were using was still syncing)
[13:04:03] <rewbycraft> And then try again
[13:04:03] <ZeroLinux> In 2 differnt pcs
[13:05:10] <ZeroLinux> :: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/virtualbox-guest-utils-5.2.0-1-i686.pkg.tar.xz is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)).
[13:05:19] <ZeroLinux> Do you want to delete it? [Y/n] y
[13:05:25] <ZeroLinux> error: failed to commit transaction (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature))
[13:05:34] <ZeroLinux> Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.
[13:06:09] <rewbycraft> I'll check if the mirrors are good
[13:07:38] <rewbycraft> ZeroLinux: Can you check what mirror you are using?
[13:09:53] <ZeroLinux> Server = https://archlinux32.mirror.roelf.org
[13:10:18] <rewbycraft> Then it's definitely on your end somewhere. So that narrows it down
[13:11:37] <rewbycraft> What happens if you download these two files: https://archlinux32.mirror.roelf.org and https://archlinux32.mirror.roelf.org
[13:11:47] <rewbycraft> And run: gpg --verify virtualbox-guest-utils-5.2.0-1-i686.pkg.tar.xz.sig
[13:12:02] <rewbycraft> (I tested it by downloading with wget <url> )
[13:14:18] <ZeroLinux> gpg: Can't check signature: No public key
[13:14:44] <ZeroLinux> gpg: using RSA key 16194A82231E9EF823562181C8E8F5A0AF9BA7E7
[13:14:51] <rewbycraft> That's expected. Try with: pacman-key -v virtualbox-guest-utils-5.2.0-1-i686.pkg.tar.xz.sig
[13:15:36] <ZeroLinux> Primary key fingerprint: 1619 4A82 231E 9EF8 2356 2181 C8E8 F5A0 AF9B A7E7 ==> ERROR: The signature identified by virtualbox-guest-utils-5.2.0-1-i686.pkg.tar.xz.sig could not be verified.
[13:15:59] <ZeroLinux> WARNING: This key is not certified with sufficiently trusted signatures!
[13:16:08] <ZeroLinux> gpg: Good signature from "Andreas Baumann (sign) <mail@andreasbaumann.cc>" [marginal]
[13:16:08] <rewbycraft> Aha
[13:16:33] <rewbycraft> You said you "imported the key"
[13:16:36] <rewbycraft> Exactly how did you do that?
[13:16:48] <ZeroLinux> I answered Yes
[13:17:01] <ZeroLinux> When it asked for Import
[13:17:45] <rewbycraft> Hm
[13:17:56] <rewbycraft> Looks like andreas' key hasn't been signed properly yet
[13:18:40] <ZeroLinux> Maybe
[13:20:23] <rewbycraft> I'm not 100% on the gpg system, I'm afraid
[13:21:14] <ZeroLinux> OK, I will add this package to ignore list
[13:21:49] <rewbycraft> Don't do that
[13:21:59] <ZeroLinux> OK
[13:22:23] <rewbycraft> If you want to get it solved right now, you can do "sudo pacman-key --lsign-key 16194A82231E9EF823562181C8E8F5A0AF9BA7E7" to get pacman to trust it
[13:22:31] <rewbycraft> But I'm not sure if you're supposed to do that
[13:22:46] <rewbycraft> But that'll get pacman to trust andreas' key and let you update
[13:22:50] <ZeroLinux> Got it
[13:23:49] <ZeroLinux> I could successfully "downgrade" virtualbox-guest-utils to 5.1.30-1 from 5.1.29
[13:24:10] <rewbycraft> andreas is a new packager we have who's been fixing up a lot of packaging bugs
[13:24:29] <rewbycraft> So you'd probably end up ignoring a fair few packages if you were to put them all on the "ignore" list
[13:25:24] <ZeroLinux> Usually I try to update ignored packages and see if they work. If they do I remove them from the list
[13:26:02] <rewbycraft> In the mean time you'd still have a partially upgraded system and that tends to go wrong in all sorts of ways
[13:27:12] <ZeroLinux> thank you for explanation
[13:27:23] <ZeroLinux> I will avoid this
[13:28:47] <rewbycraft> As far as I understand, our gpg model works like this: We have 3 "master key holders". Their keys are setup to be trusted by pacman. Then if >1 (maybe all three) of them sign someone else's key, then pacman will trust their key
[13:29:03] <rewbycraft> And I think andreas' key hasn't been signed by everyone yet
[13:29:33] <ZeroLinux> at the moment I used sudo pacman-key --lsign-key 16194A82231E9EF823562181C8E8F5A0AF9BA7E7
[13:29:48] <ZeroLinux> and it worked for me on one mashine
[13:30:04] <ZeroLinux> when it is fixed I will try to apply on another
[13:30:11] <rewbycraft> You only apply it once
[13:30:26] <rewbycraft> You basically just told pacman "hey, andreas' key is good."
[13:30:39] <rewbycraft> And it should just use it for all future updates
[13:30:41] <ZeroLinux> I have undesrstood
[13:32:26] <rewbycraft> Again: I'm not entirely 100% on the practicalities of gpg. So I could be wrong.
[13:34:40] <ZeroLinux> AFter update and reboot I have error in KDE https://my.pcloud.com
[13:34:41] <phrik> Title: Screenshot_20171104_143201.png - pCloud (at my.pcloud.com)
[13:35:03] <ZeroLinux> So I am doing downgrade
[14:09:15] <ZeroLinux> So I have deleted key sudo pacman-key --delete 16194A82231E9EF823562181C8E8F5A0AF9BA7E7
[14:09:54] <ZeroLinux> and done downgrade irtualbox-guest-utils to 5.1.30
[14:10:09] <ZeroLinux> now it works fine
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[15:36:40] <tyzoid> ZeroLinux: I
[15:36:44] <tyzoid> I'm a bit late to the party
[15:36:47] <tyzoid> since I just woke up
[15:36:56] <tyzoid> but, did you install archlinux32-keyring-transition?
[15:37:06] <tyzoid> that is supposed to do the key import for you
[15:37:32] <rewbycraft> tyzoid: Btw, What do you think of his suggestion to copy the pacman issues section from arch's bbs to the arch32 bbs?
[15:37:33] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: The process is generally pacman -Sy archlinux32-keyring-transition
[15:37:41] <rewbycraft> tyzoid: That's a new package to me.
[15:37:55] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: Yeah, brtln signed it with his arch mainline build ke
[15:37:58] <tyzoid> key*
[15:38:02] <tyzoid> afaik
[15:38:07] <rewbycraft> Ah
[15:38:17] <brtln> yeah
[15:38:34] <rewbycraft> I don't keep up with the gpg infra I'm afraid. So I hadn't realised that
[15:38:49] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: It's on the instructions page I sent him: https://archlinux32.org
[15:38:51] <phrik> Title: Arch Linux 32 (at archlinux32.org)
[15:38:56] <tyzoid> under transitioning from mainline
[15:39:12] <rewbycraft> tyzoid: His issue seemed to be andreas' key which doesn't seem to be in https://github.com
[15:39:13] <phrik> Title: GitHub - archlinux32/archlinux32-keyring: keys to sign packages and repositories for 32 bit archlinux (at github.com)
[15:39:30] <rewbycraft> That said, I'm not at my appartment and don't have any arch32 systems with me.
[15:40:03] <tyzoid> we'd need deep42thought's input on that, I'm not sure it's yet been signed by the requisite number of master keys
[15:40:09] <rewbycraft> YEah
[15:40:18] <rewbycraft> But it was choking on packages with andreas' sig on it
[15:40:23] <rewbycraft> Hence my solution
[15:40:32] <tyzoid> so what was the question on the forum? we wanted a new section?
[15:41:48] <rewbycraft> A copy of https://bbs.archlinux.org I was almost going to just add it because it seems like a sensible thing. But I decided I'd wait for your input
[15:41:49] <phrik> Title: Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
[15:42:31] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: the "Installation" section was also for transition issues
[15:42:42] <rewbycraft> tyzoid: This wasn't a transition issue
[15:42:59] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: We've been using the maintaining packages section for this, but I'll add a new one
[15:43:34] <rewbycraft> This was a working arch32 system that failed to update because a number of packages on the mirror have already been signed by andreas, but his key isn' tin the keyring yet
[15:44:10] <rewbycraft> So it messed up because pacman can't verify the key
[15:44:30] <rewbycraft> Take https://archlinux32.mirror.roelf.org{,.sig} as an example
[15:45:04] <rewbycraft> The signature is: https://hastebin.com
[15:45:05] <phrik> Title: hastebin (at hastebin.com)
[15:45:26] <rewbycraft> But, as you said yourself, the key hasn't been signed by enough master keys yet
[15:45:35] <rewbycraft> So pacman kinda went belly-up
[15:45:56] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: which package(s) is/are doing this?
[15:46:07] <rewbycraft> At least that one
[15:46:17] <rewbycraft> I don't have a full list
[15:46:27] <tyzoid> ok. One sec
[15:46:46] <rewbycraft> My vpns are fsck-ed atm so I can't login to my mirror to check everything
[15:47:16] <rewbycraft> My remote-access vpn goes through my amsterdam machine as a single-point-of-failure
[15:47:19] <rewbycraft> And guess what, it failed
[15:47:28] <rewbycraft> The hosting company is having an outage
[15:47:40] <rewbycraft> So I can only access the public ips, not the management ones
[15:50:51] <tyzoid> yeah, I'm ssh'd to my mirror
[15:52:13] <rewbycraft> If you could run a check, that'd be great
[15:52:44] <rewbycraft> The network my ams router is on just completely dropped off the net
[15:52:48] <rewbycraft> Looks like a major router failure
[16:00:57] <ZeroLinux> tyzoid: No I didn't install archlinux32-keyring-transition
[16:01:54] <ZeroLinux> Should I do it know?
[16:02:10] <ZeroLinux> I have fresh install of archlinux32
[16:02:25] <ZeroLinux> I am not moving from any other distro
[16:05:42] <tyzoid> ZeroLinux: Ah, fresh installs don't need it
[16:06:18] <tyzoid> ZeroLinux: In the meantime, I'm going through and checking which packages have the not-yet-trusted sig, then resigning it with my trusted key
[16:06:33] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: good luck figuring that one out!
[16:07:09] <rewbycraft> tyzoid: Apparently the DC had a power failure and a bunch of PSUs blew up. Waiting on them to get it all back up
[16:07:35] <tyzoid> ah
[16:08:01] <rewbycraft> I know a bit more than that. But can't share that info
[16:08:14] <rewbycraft> Additionally, I'm genuinely questioning how on earth they managed to fuck up like that
[16:08:32] <ZeroLinux> resigning it with my trusted key - good idea
[16:08:51] <rewbycraft> tyzoid: You pushing the re-signed packages to the master mirror?
[16:09:30] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: Yeah, once I figure out which ones are needed
[16:09:40] <tyzoid> deep42thought: libgssglue-0.4-2-i686.pkg.tar.xz is signed with a revoked key
[16:10:02] <rewbycraft> tyzoid: Excellent
[16:28:48] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: still scanning community :P
[16:29:01] <rewbycraft> How many so far?
[16:29:02] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: who'd a thought it takes a while to verify a whole repo
[16:29:09] <rewbycraft> Hehehe
[16:29:09] <tyzoid> 0 with his key so far
[16:29:18] <rewbycraft> I know of at least one
[16:29:20] <rewbycraft> So
[16:29:33] <tyzoid> so I at least have one check to verify that it's working or failing
[16:29:55] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: It's on the ruby- section right now
[16:30:20] <rewbycraft> I think andreas was doing stuff with virtualbox
[16:30:24] <rewbycraft> So it'll probably fail there
[16:36:07] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: Didn't find it
[16:36:15] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: but then again, it appears my repo might be out of date
[16:37:27] <tyzoid> :/
[16:37:33] <tyzoid> time to sync and rescan
[16:39:18] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: lol, my repo was locked :P
[16:41:42] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: do you know of a way just to show the key used without doing the entire verification?
[16:44:10] <rewbycraft> I don't
[16:44:13] <rewbycraft> gpg isn't my forte
[16:46:54] <tyzoid> I asked in #gnupg, hopefully they'll get back
[16:47:50] <rewbycraft> tyzoid: Actually, gpg --list-packets <file>.sig does something
[16:52:33] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: That doesn't appear to be much faster, though
[16:52:40] <rewbycraft> Ah
[16:52:43] <rewbycraft> Can't help then
[16:53:05] <tyzoid> yeah, I'm digging through the RFC on the format, but still can't seem to find it
[16:53:15] <tyzoid> the format in the RFC doesn't look like what's being used here.
[16:53:42] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: actually, it does look like it's going faster
[16:53:43] <tyzoid> thanks
[16:53:47] <tyzoid> it's already on p
[16:56:54] <rewbycraft> Did you update the repo?
[16:59:43] <tyzoid> not yet, downloaded the errant ones, and I'm just about to sign them
[17:02:19] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: Alright, I've update the virtualbox sigs
[17:02:24] <tyzoid> I'll double check the other repos
[17:02:49] <rewbycraft> kk
[17:09:06] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: There were a few in community-testing that I also signed
[17:09:12] <tyzoid> so everything should be good for now
[17:09:20] <rewbycraft> All right
[17:09:29] <tyzoid> ZeroLinux: thanks for reporting!
[17:09:44] <rewbycraft> ZeroLinux: Yes, thank you!
[17:10:35] <rewbycraft> tyzoid: Once I get some more spare server capacity, I'll probably setup a build-slave myself as well.
[17:13:40] <tyzoid> sounds good
[17:31:29] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: what's your virtual cluster setup as again?
[17:31:42] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: I'm thinking of virtualizing some things
[17:31:42] <rewbycraft> Usually openstack based
[17:31:47] <rewbycraft> If you want virtualisation
[17:31:51] <rewbycraft> Use esxi or proxmox
[17:31:56] <rewbycraft> Way easier for newcomers to the vm game
[17:32:02] <rewbycraft> openstack is a full private cloud
[17:32:08] <rewbycraft> And is a pain in the behind to set up
[17:39:53] <rewbycraft> esxi is free and easy to setup and use, but can be a bit inflexible with networking
[17:40:02] <rewbycraft> As you don't have a "host" OS as such
[17:40:34] <rewbycraft> Where proxmox is linux based so you can just ssh into the hypervisor and use iptables and such to do network magic should you choose to
[17:41:04] <rewbycraft> I personally prefer to use esxi and install something like pfsense ontop of it.
[17:41:11] <rewbycraft> But the same can be done with proxmox
[17:59:35] <ZeroLinux> I still have update problem https://pastebin.com
[17:59:37] <phrik> Title: [archuser@archlinux ~]$ sudo pacman -Syu :: Synchronizing package databases... - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
[18:00:16] <ZeroLinux> I use Server = https://mirror.archlinux32.org
[18:00:45] <ZeroLinux> I have made pacman -Syy before
[18:04:27] <ZeroLinux> tyzoid: What would you say?
[18:05:17] <tyzoid> ZeroLinux: one sec
[18:05:49] <tyzoid> ZeroLinux: clear the .sig file out of your pacman cache
[18:06:33] <tyzoid> hmm
[18:06:34] <ZeroLinux> OK. doing...
[18:07:37] <tyzoid> one sec
[18:08:28] <ZeroLinux> I have only /var/cache/pacman/pkg/virtualbox-guest-utils-5.1.30-1-i686.pkg.tar.xz.sig
[18:08:58] <tyzoid> ZeroLinux: yeah, delete that
[18:11:19] <ZeroLinux> the same
[18:11:20] <ZeroLinux> https://pastebin.com
[18:11:21] <phrik> Title: [archuser@archlinux pkg]$ ls -l /var/cache/pacman/pkg/virtualbox-guest-utils-5.* - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
[18:15:06] <tyzoid> ZeroLinux: can you move your cache folder temporarily?
[18:15:19] <tyzoid> i.e. mv /var/cache/pacman/pkg /var/cache/pacman/pkg-old ?
[18:19:47] <ZeroLinux> sure
[18:19:59] <ZeroLinux> tyzoid: https://pastebin.com
[18:19:59] <phrik> Title: [archuser@archlinux pkg]$ sudo mv /var/cache/pacman/pkg /var/cache/pacman/pkg-ol - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
[18:20:05] <tyzoid> ZeroLinux: I think I've found the issue
[18:20:08] <tyzoid> give me ~10min
[18:21:35] <ZeroLinux> tyzoid: Ok. Thank you for fixing it...
[18:24:05] <tyzoid> ZeroLinux: try again. Make sure to pacman -Syy first.
[18:27:52] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: apparantly the sigs are stored in the database, so I needed to update the package database
[18:28:48] <ZeroLinux> perfect!!!
[18:29:02] <tyzoid> sweet! glad that fixed it
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[18:53:48] <ZeroLinux> Thank you very much!!!
[18:53:57] <tyzoid> ZeroLinux: our pleasure
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[19:17:03] <ZeroLinux> After update I have a problem https://my.pcloud.com
[19:17:04] <phrik> Title: Screenshot_20171104_185516.png - pCloud (at my.pcloud.com)
[19:19:33] <tyzoid> ZeroLinux: did you reboot after updating virutalbox?
[19:23:09] <ZeroLinux> sure
[19:23:24] <ZeroLinux> it is the picture after reboot
[19:23:31] <ZeroLinux> immidiately
[19:24:27] <tyzoid> hmm
[19:24:42] <tyzoid> not sure at that point, can you make a post on the forum?
[19:25:02] <ZeroLinux> Ok
[19:42:30] <ZeroLinux> I have done it
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