#archlinux-ports | Logs for 2017-11-13

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[08:25:08] <deep42thought> How do other projects handle donations? There is someone on the forum asking if/how he can donate something.
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[08:42:58] <jelle> Arch uses the SPI
[08:43:24] <jelle> http://www.spi-inc.org
[08:43:24] <phrik> Title: SPI (at www.spi-inc.org)
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[13:11:27] <privilege> https://www.archlinux.org <== good url location for it o_O
[13:11:28] <phrik> Title: Arch Linux - Donate (at www.archlinux.org)
[13:11:32] <privilege> ;)
[13:12:53] <jelle> privilege: I don't get the sarcasm
[13:27:25] <privilege> jelle: Do you have *any idea* how hard that page was to find?!?!?! :( :( :(
[13:30:00] <jelle> hard
[13:33:44] <fsckd> it was easy for me to find. i just opened IRC and here it was. :P
[13:33:53] <deep42thought> lol
[13:34:28] <fsckd> this Arch forum thread concerns y'all https://bbs.archlinux.org
[13:34:29] <phrik> Title: i686 AUR packages / AUR Issues, Discussion & PKGBUILD Requests / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
[13:34:57] <jelle> fsckd: that useless user asked on irc as well
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[13:35:11] <fsckd> oh, fascinating
[13:35:20] <jelle> just keep arch=(x86_64 i686) if just works
[13:35:40] <jelle> but sure you can use makepkg -A
[13:35:48] <fsckd> yeah
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[14:31:57] <tyz> deep42thought: Regarding the donations, since we don't have a project status in the SPI (yet? fsckd?), what do you think about opening an amazon account, and accepting donations to run a community mirror?
[14:33:43] <deep42thought> this "amazon account" would simply provide storage for a mirror or a vps or cpu hours or is it flexible?
[14:34:55] <fsckd> (i have nothing to do with SPI)
[14:35:43] <fsckd> (i can suggest using Patreon or similar)
[14:36:55] <tyz> deep42thought: You can do either, I'm thinking more as a vps.
[14:39:27] <tyz> fsckd: I'm not sure how I feel about patreon, the focus there is more towards single creators or small groups of creators
[14:39:43] <tyz> not really amorphous groups.
[14:41:22] <deep42thought> I'm not really convinced, but I'm not the only one to decide either :-)
[14:43:05] <fsckd> considering Chakra is with SPI, i don't think it would outside of possibility for Arch32 to be also.
[14:44:23] <deep42thought> sry, I didn't get that
[14:44:33] <tyz> fsckd: Do you know who manages our relationship with SPI?
[14:44:50] <jelle> who is "our"?
[14:44:50] <tyz> deep42thought: https://chakralinux.org
[14:44:51] <phrik> Title: Chakra - Stable core, bleeding edge applications! (at chakralinux.org)
[14:44:56] <tyz> mainline
[14:45:09] * jelle is confused
[14:45:18] <tyz> jelle: sorry, I'm juggling who's included in "we"
[14:45:34] <deep42thought> tyz: thanks, that solved the riddle for me :-)
[14:47:26] <fsckd> tyz: idk, likely Aaron.
[14:48:18] <jelle> most probable
[14:48:35] <jelle> since the servers also seem to be in his name ;-)
[14:49:22] <tyz> jelle: Do you think it might be possible to get that as a line item on the main project?
[14:49:35] <jelle> tyz: line item?
[14:49:52] <tyz> jelle: one sec
[14:50:03] <jelle> "main project" being arch?
[14:51:50] <tyz> yeah
[14:52:14] <jelle> I don't think we should want that as Arch
[14:52:48] <deep42thought> yeah, I'd rather make our own association with SPI
[14:53:09] <deep42thought> the connection with arch can be an argument, but we should be considered distinct from arch
[14:53:23] <deep42thought> e.g. distinct in a legal sense
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[16:26:42] <tyz> any thoughts about migrating from fluxbb to mybb?
[16:32:59] <fsckd> it looks nice. i can browse it using elinks. i can't test edbrowse as i need to rebuild it first.
[16:41:37] <tyz> from experience, mybb has some additional features regarding moderation
[16:54:06] <deep42thought> It would be good if we could keep the look as close to upstream as possible
[16:54:34] <deep42thought> but I understand that more features regarding moderation, spam, etc. are more valuable than the precise same look :-)
[17:01:46] <tyz> deep42thought: mybb has a decent templating engine
[17:02:23] <deep42thought> so it's only a matter of effort :-)
[17:02:24] <tyz> I can get the look to be pretty close
[17:02:33] <tyz> I've done it before with flexile/xenforo
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[17:05:12] <rewbycraft> tyz: +o -o +o -o? What are you trying to do?
[17:05:26] <deep42thought> morse something?
[17:05:36] <tyz> rewbycraft: it was +o +o -o. The second one was because the first one didn't apply right away
[17:05:42] <rewbycraft> Ah
[17:05:46] <tyz> and I wanted to see if it worked with a different nick.
[17:05:58] <tyz> since I primarily use this one at work, and tyzoid at home.
[17:06:08] <rewbycraft> It's based on your chanserv account
[17:06:24] <tyz> Yup. That's what I thought, but I wanted to see if it worked.
[17:06:30] <tyz> You know what they say about assumptions...
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[17:11:50] <deep42thought> you can give op to anyone?
[17:11:58] <tyz> apparantly
[17:12:12] <deep42thought> I need to think more, before typing, then
[17:12:57] <fsckd> congrats to both of you on becoming op :D
[17:13:21] <fsckd> may your banhammers strike true ^_^
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[17:15:45] <rewbycraft> oohh +v
[17:15:50] <anyone> deep42thought, tyz: yes plz
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[17:16:28] <tyz> rewbycraft: Figured the status symbol might be nice too.
[17:17:12] <rewbycraft> fsckd: My favorite one is "May your boots have steel toes, and your hammer be hit hard."
[17:17:26] <fsckd> hehe
[17:17:29] <tyz> rewbycraft: That one's quite good
[17:18:15] <rewbycraft> tyz: What are you using +v for?
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[17:18:58] <fsckd> so that we can hear them of course :D
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[17:19:18] <tyz> Just experimenting
[17:19:24] <tyz> didn't turn it off right away
[17:19:46] <tyz> I like alad's example. Lay low until you need it.
[17:20:01] <fsckd> :D
[17:20:48] <rewbycraft> And then suprise attack
[17:24:19] <tyz> you know things get ominous when suddenly
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[17:24:30] <tyz> this happens
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[17:25:14] <tyz> lol
[17:25:28] * deep42thought is a horribly slow typer :-(
[17:25:30] <tyz> deep42thought: ya to slow
[17:25:41] * tyz just got ninja'd
[17:34:05] <fsckd> y'all can ban yourselves. try not to. :P
[17:34:36] <deep42thought> one can unban himself, can't one?
[17:35:14] <fsckd> you don't have the flag :/
[17:35:44] <deep42thought> I can just pm ChanServ
[17:36:35] <fsckd> you need the +r floag i think
[17:36:49] <deep42thought> just checked: you're right, I can't
[17:36:50] <fsckd> flag*
[17:38:48] <fsckd> ask for these flags +Aiortv
[17:39:11] <fsckd> those are the defaukts freenode gives if the flags aren't specified
[17:39:24] <fsckd> defaults*
[17:40:57] <rewbycraft> I think brtln set the flags
[17:41:01] <rewbycraft> So probably ask him
[18:07:57] <guys> brtln only gave +o ???
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[18:12:30] <fsckd> they only asked for +o
[18:12:44] <deep42thought> we asked for nothing :-) (at least I didn't)
[18:16:15] <guys> fsckd: who do you think you are?
[18:16:24] <guys> /mode -fsckd fsckd
[18:17:27] <tyz> deep42thought: I asked for you and/or I to receive operator status in #archlinux-devops
[18:17:57] <tyz> mostly so we can deal with trolls if/when they arise
[18:17:59] <deep42thought> ah, ok, thanks :-)
[18:18:07] <deep42thought> sry, didn't know
[18:18:11] <tyz> np
[18:18:18] <guys> tyz: devops is an ambitious request...
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[18:18:55] <tyz> guys: I misphrased it. I asked for permission in this channel, and I placed my request in the devops channel.
[18:19:03] <guys> :p
[18:20:05] <deep42thought> tyz: no, you didn't misphrase - english has simply an intrinsically ambiguous grammar
[18:20:32] <tyz> :P
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[18:21:38] <tyz> wb abaumann.
[18:21:47] <abaumann> hi
[18:21:53] <deep42thought> hi
[18:22:07] <deep42thought> here comes the guy who can repair every package :-)
[18:22:22] <abaumann> nah.. not really.. ;-)
[18:22:25] <tyz> deep42thought: When is the new keyring package going out again?
[18:22:36] <deep42thought> it's already
[18:22:44] <tyz> :)
[18:23:04] <tyz> so abaumann your key should be trusted, pending people updating the keyring now.
[18:23:13] <deep42thought> rewbycraft and I made a small mistake, but it's corrected now
[18:23:15] <abaumann> ah. that's good news. :-)
[18:23:34] <deep42thought> btw: the build-master will now reject packages which are signed with the wrong key
[18:23:40] <deep42thought> s/will/should/
[18:23:55] <tyz> Sounds good
[18:24:11] <abaumann> I have to set up my build slave again.. currently it's running as root. :-)
[18:24:41] <deep42thought> abaumann: you need pretty large sudo rights anyway
[18:25:05] <deep42thought> https://github.com
[18:25:06] <phrik> Title: builder/README.md at master · archlinux32/builder · GitHub (at github.com)
[18:25:10] <abaumann> ..yeah. and it's a test machine anyway.. no problem, if it goes away.. :-)
[18:25:41] <deep42thought> I noticed, archbuild needs to be run as root - I'm not sure why, but I also didn't have the time to investigate deeper
[18:26:24] <tyz> deep42thought: Couldnt we run the slaves in a vm?
[18:29:17] <deep42thought> yeah
[18:29:32] <deep42thought> but I think, there are already enough layers of wrapping paper ;-)
[18:29:42] <deep42thought> btw: I'm afk, dinner
[18:29:55] <tyz> ok
[18:30:24] <abaumann> ok
[18:49:50] <abaumann> This seems to be a new hobby for developers, packing 64-bit binary files into a source tarball.. *sigh8
[18:50:05] <rewbycraft> Wut?
[18:50:13] <rewbycraft> abaumann: Who's doing that?
[18:50:27] <abaumann> I should most likely rant here, it may be also a mistake, deepin-terminal.
[18:50:33] <abaumann> See bug 10 (FS32)
[18:50:49] <abaumann> I'm taking it upstream
[18:51:06] <rewbycraft> Probably good
[18:51:06] <abaumann> The more severe issue is GPL: readline is GPL, so deeping is now GPL?
[18:51:17] <rewbycraft> Oof good point
[18:51:22] <abaumann> s/deeping/deepin/
[18:51:27] <rewbycraft> Link the upstream discussion in FS10
[18:51:34] <abaumann> yep. will do.
[18:53:21] <tyz> abaumann: is that gnu readline? Or a shim for it?
[18:53:33] <abaumann> It's a shim for it.
[18:53:47] <tyz> so doesn't seem like a gpl issue to me
[18:53:49] <abaumann> People who want to avoid librealine can pich editline
[18:54:00] <abaumann> editline is BSD/MIT or something similar
[18:54:23] <abaumann> I'm checking currently, what the license of deepin is..
[18:54:33] <abaumann> ah. GPL3
[18:54:35] <abaumann> all good.
[18:54:41] <tyz> abaumann: isn't their codebase on github, though?
[18:55:05] <abaumann> Yes. But this doesn't mean automatically it's GPL or MIT or whatever..
[18:55:33] <tyz> abaumann: but they make release tarfiles available via github too
[18:55:34] <tyz> https://github.com
[18:55:35] <phrik> Title: Releases · linuxdeepin/deepin-terminal · GitHub (at github.com)
[18:55:43] <tyz> so we may want to grab those instead, assuming they match up
[18:56:38] <abaumann> I'll ask upstream.. because if deepin is GPL and readline exists on every Linux distro i know, I don't see the point to pack a binary into the source tarball or a fake readline..
[19:01:04] <isacdaavid> you probably know this, but you are building with an empty $PACKAGER in makepkg.conf
[19:01:18] <abaumann> who? me?
[19:03:36] <abaumann> tyz: the 2.7.6.tar.gz from github also contains the 64-bit object file.
[19:04:03] <abaumann> We used to have git hooks and draconic measurements in system development if somebody dared to check in object files :->
[19:10:23] <abaumann> isacdaavid: yes, guilty: I forgot PACKAGER in my makepkg.conf, fixed.
[19:10:34] <deep42thought> me too
[19:10:36] <deep42thought> :-(
[19:10:54] <abaumann> cheer up.. rebuild all packages.. ;-)
[19:11:00] <deep42thought> but the build slave takes the makepkg.conf from /usr/lib/archbuild/...
[19:11:33] <abaumann> so, mkchroot has a parameter to set it?
[19:11:42] <abaumann> mkarchroot
[19:12:06] <deep42thought> /usr/share/devtools/makepkg-i686.conf
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[19:13:43] <deep42thought> and this file is not in devtool32's backup, so changes will be overwritten
[19:20:51] <deep42thought> hmm, apparently, the PACKAGER variable is set from somewhere else :-/
[19:21:46] <deep42thought> ah, it comes from /etc/makepkg.conf
[19:22:39] <abaumann> I simply changed all makepkg*.conf files. :-)
[19:23:52] <deep42thought> I hope, I didn't forget any machine :-/
[19:36:22] <abaumann> deep42thought: wasn't apache-libcloud blocked? what was the message before the buildmaster crash? something with "..waiting for upstream (original author)"?
[19:46:20] <deep42thought> good question :-/
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[19:50:54] <deep42thought> I need to take a peek in the backups
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[19:56:57] <deep42thought> i blocked it with the same reason, but the git revisions had changed
[19:57:41] <abaumann> ah. sweet. all builds either through or blocked with reason. :-)
[19:58:00] <deep42thought> :-)
[20:16:16] <eschwartz[m]> deep42thought: the usual workflow for mainline is that people set PACKAGER in the ~/.makepkg.conf for their soyuz account before running extra-x86_64-build on the soyuz build machine.
[20:16:40] <deep42thought> ok, that explains the replacing of the variable
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[20:22:00] <deep42thought> I wonder, what the downside of removing all *.o and *.a files in the "source" tarball prior to buildin is
[20:22:25] <abaumann> deep42thought: good point.. I'll try..
[20:22:49] <abaumann> on deepin-terminal that is..
[20:25:39] <deep42thought> that works
[20:25:42] <deep42thought> I just tried it
[20:25:51] <deep42thought> (plus "-j1" for make)
[20:26:07] <abaumann> ah. cool.
[20:31:36] <deep42thought> I guess, upstream set some rules wrong in .gitignore
[20:31:54] <abaumann> yep. :-)
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