#archlinux-ports | Logs for 2018-01-20

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[01:47:51] <yans> So, as i thought. It's $"§&%$, kernel panic.
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[07:49:26] <walle303> Is there a reason the reflector package doesn't exist in the archlinux32/i686 repositories?
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[08:10:11] <abaumann> walle303: yes, it's blacklisted because the list of mirrors is not adapted for Archlinux32. Also, maybe we should fork reflector as reflector32?
[08:10:33] <walle303> Ah, Well i'm trying to install antergos on an x86 machine and their installer requires the reflector package
[08:10:58] <abaumann> see https://raw.githubusercontent.com
[08:12:32] <abaumann> ah, that important information. thanks a lot. I didn't think anything is depending on reflector.
[08:12:53] <walle303> Well, antergos is an arch-based distro
[08:13:11] <walle303> I beleive their installer organizes the repositories using reflector
[08:14:01] <walle303> They don't officially build x86 iso images anymore, but they still build x86 packages from the looks of it
[08:14:48] <walle303> Guess I'll have to poke around and see if I can get the installer to skip using reflector then for now
[08:15:03] <abaumann> reflector is an easy enough package, so we should be able to fork it for archlinux32 (as asp32, devtools32, etc.)
[08:15:45] <abaumann> yes, do that. Maybe you can add mirrors manually in /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.
[08:16:01] <walle303> I already swapped out the mirror list for archlinux32
[08:16:06] <abaumann> I don't know want antergos official transition of the 32-bit version is anyway.
[08:16:20] <abaumann> Ah. So they use Archlinux32 repos for core, extra and community?
[08:16:27] <walle303> the ISO image is from mid-2016 when arch still had proper 32 bit images on their repos
[08:16:58] <abaumann> mmh. Usually I have to build a test machine per derived Archlinux distro in order to test it.
[08:17:04] <abaumann> Give me a mo :-)
[08:17:07] <walle303> I did a repo transition on the live boot and am trying to install from that, other than reflector, everything appears to be working
[08:17:46] <walle303> But the installer does try to download reflector pretty early so I don't know if there's any other big problems after that
[08:18:00] <abaumann> we'll see :-)
[08:18:04] <walle303> It would be neat if someone were to build a proper antergos32 iso image though
[08:18:37] <abaumann> it's all up to the antergos team. for instance manjaro has a manjaro32 distro keeping things alive.
[08:18:49] <walle303> The reason they stopped was due to iso image maintanance being too high to deal with building both
[08:18:49] <abaumann> I don't know if antergos is doing the same.
[08:19:04] <walle303> The respoitories, like i said, still build 32 bit packages, at least from what i can tell
[08:19:30] <abaumann> antergos stopped because Archlinux dropped 64-bit. You can have a look at their forums, maybe sombody mentioned a roadmap..
[08:19:31] <walle303> They just haven't built an installation/ live image for x86 since mid-2016
[08:20:07] <abaumann> We ususally try to get into contact with Archlinux-derived distro maintainers, but antergos got lost. :-)
[08:20:28] <walle303> Antergos dropped x86/i386 mid-2016
[08:20:36] <walle303> Arch dropped it at the start of 2017 from what i can tell
[08:20:39] <abaumann> ah. already.
[08:20:44] <walle303> er, i686
[08:21:15] <walle303> Well, they dropped x86 iso/media images
[08:21:32] <walle303> packages still support x86
[08:21:34] <abaumann> We are discontinuing the 32bit versions of our install media. This will be the last release that includes 32bit media (for real this time 😉). This change applies to the install media only. We will continue to maintain 32bit packages in our repository for the foreseeable future.
[08:22:29] <walle303> They have #antergos as their official irc channel btw
[08:25:11] <abaumann> mmh. they cleaned their mirrors thoroughly, I can only see a 18.1 ISO.
[08:25:50] <abaumann> do you have the ISO image somewhere?
[08:26:17] <walle303> I could only find the one from may 2016, the latest is june 2016, here
[08:26:36] <walle303> Oh, I should probably reupload it somewhere because it took like 5 hours to download from the one mirror i found it on
[08:26:58] <abaumann> https://antergos.com
[08:26:59] <phrik> Title: ISO Refresh 2016.06.18 | Antergos Linux (at antergos.com)
[08:26:59] <abaumann> ah.
[08:27:15] <abaumann> the links are broken, cool :-)
[08:27:34] <walle303> yeah, their automated system purges the old isos every time they build a new one
[08:27:36] <abaumann> that shows me, they don't bother about 32-bit being still usable.
[08:29:05] <abaumann> https://sourceforge.net
[08:29:25] <abaumann> just some packages from a main repo..
[08:29:28] <walle303> That's the same as their live repository
[08:29:42] <abaumann> so they rebuild the packages and put them into a [main] repo.
[08:29:53] <abaumann> what repos are configured in your /etc/pacman.conf?
[08:30:43] <abaumann> https://mirror.fvz.io
[08:30:45] <phrik> Title: Index of /iso/linux/ (at mirror.fvz.io)
[08:30:48] <walle303> core, extra, ciommunity, antergos
[08:30:52] <abaumann> aha, they have the Mai ISO.
[08:30:55] <walle303> community*
[08:31:01] <walle303> also, that's the mirror i found it on
[08:31:05] <walle303> the one that took hours to download from
[08:31:50] <abaumann> well.. the point is like this.. we maintain vanilla Archlinux32.. if there is somebody in a derived distribution, which takes care about a 32-bit version, good.
[08:32:12] <walle303> Well it could help if you contact the antergos team
[08:32:17] <abaumann> if not, there is only the option of either adding the archlinux32 mirrors and hope nothing breaks..
[08:32:29] <abaumann> ..or migration to another archlinux32-based distro.
[08:32:38] <walle303> Maybe they could push out a special legacy i686 iso that uses the al32 mirrors
[08:32:53] <abaumann> still. I'll ask in the mailing list, if there is somebody taking care of 32-bit folks. :-)
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[08:33:21] <abaumann> yeah. but somebody has to do it. :-)
[08:33:28] <abaumann> antergos-2016.05.24-i686.i 38%[=============> ] 659.27M 3.87MB/s eta 4m 33s
[08:33:32] <abaumann> mmh. not too bad. :-)
[08:33:50] <walle303> Well I guess you got lucky then
[08:34:05] <walle303> Earlier it was going at 50-200kbps
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[08:40:07] <walle303> I got the intstaller to continue progressing after removing reflector from the packages.xml for the intstaller
[08:40:20] <abaumann> ah? that's good.
[08:40:48] <abaumann> from the reflector code I see it helps you to find a mirror more easilly.
[08:40:56] <abaumann> this is somehting which can also be done manually.
[08:41:49] <walle303> And the installer seems to be looking for a hunspell-fr package and failing so far
[08:42:29] <walle303> I believe that might be because I told it to install libreoffice with the system, could be wrong though
[08:42:47] <abaumann> hunspell-fr should be in extra
[08:42:58] <walle303> it's looking in extra
[08:43:03] <walle303> oh, it found it
[08:43:11] <abaumann> ah.
[08:43:11] <walle303> the mirrors it were trying didn't have it and/or were down
[08:43:17] <walle303> was trying*
[08:43:35] <abaumann> the mirror list might not be up-to-date anymore :-)
[08:43:41] <walle303> yep, this is going to be a slow and painful install because it appears some of the mirrors are down
[08:44:11] <abaumann> I would comment all of them, don't let pacman autoprobe and pick one known good mirror
[08:44:12] <walle303> I should've run rankmirrors first
[08:44:19] <abaumann> also an option.
[08:46:04] <walle303> Speaking of mirrors, maybe a copy of the repository on ipfs could work
[08:48:09] <walle303> I don't really see why it wouldn't be possible to use a local ipfs node to access an ipfs-based mirror
[08:50:30] <walle303> In addition to that it might be possible to contact some of public ipfs gateway maintainers and ask if you could use their gateway in your mirrorlist
[08:51:01] <abaumann> we have direct mirrors currently and a bittorrent download, but yeah. maybe an idea.
[08:51:44] <walle303> It would make it easier for people to create their own mirrors too, as all they would have to do is run their own ipfs gateway
[08:52:07] <abaumann> well, we like plain vanilla http(s) mirrors for that :-)
[08:52:27] <abaumann> especially for the automatic mirror selection to work.
[08:53:14] <walle303> The biggest issue with having IPFS for mirroring is that you can't pin an IPNS hash yet
[08:54:09] <abaumann> I have never played with IPFS so far..
[08:54:33] <walle303> It's quite neat
[08:57:34] <abaumann> yeah. instead of signing packages you actually put packages in a blockchain, neat.
[08:57:53] <walle303> hmm, well not quite
[08:57:58] <walle303> here
[09:08:15] <abaumann> ok. an installation of antergos fails for me. the installer has an SSL problem and also it doens't find packages to install.
[09:08:39] <abaumann> as I can see, they use core, extra and community, so those can be set to Archlinux32 mirrors.
[09:08:47] <walle303> I'm surprised you managed to get the installer to run
[09:08:56] <abaumann> there is an [antergos] repo with adaptions nobody maintains for 32-bit, it looks like.
[09:09:04] <walle303> That ISO actually has a bug where you have to rebuild the gtk pixbuf cache to get the installer to even open
[09:09:14] <abaumann> ah.
[09:09:22] <abaumann> I'm using the text/dialog-based installer. :-)
[09:09:28] <walle303> also you have to update the installer manually after swapping repositories and doing the key switch
[09:09:38] <walle303> oh, what, there's a text based installer?
[09:09:39] <walle303> i didn't see that
[09:12:35] <walle303> Well, regardless, graphical installer seems to be working so far
[09:31:22] <walle303> Oh yeah, abaumann https://ipfs.io
[09:31:36] <walle303> A complete mirror of wikipedia in esperanto on ipfs
[09:41:08] <abaumann> nice. but a little bit slow. :-)
[09:42:11] <walle303> It would be faster except my server is the only machine with a full copy of it, and for some reason the ipfs daemon hadn't been running for a while
[09:42:28] <abaumann> oh! :-) this explains it..
[09:43:14] <walle303> Speaking of that, I was going to open an issue on one of the ipfs github repositories asking if they could pin it on one of their servers, since they currently have the english wikipedia pinned as they're the ones that mirrored it
[09:44:41] <walle303> Anyway, I need to start over with the antergos stuff because I broke the cowspace on the live boot somehow
[09:45:45] <walle303> Suddenly /var is empty even though the cowspace folder doesn't have anything relating to making it empty
[10:27:57] <walle303> abaumann: Well, it seems a few of their packages don't have i686 builds in the repo, i'm going to mess around with it a bit more and then try manjaro32 if I can't get it to install
[10:34:43] <abaumann> manjaro32 should work quite fine.
[10:35:10] <abaumann> take the latest ISO with 32-bit support, then follow the upgrade instructions on http://manjaro32.org
[10:35:15] <phrik> Title: manjaro32.org (at manjaro32.org)
[10:35:31] <walle303> I just didn't quite want to burn another dvd
[10:36:21] <walle303> Oh, I just downloaded the manjaro-32 iso from the sourceforge link listed on that page
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[10:57:44] <deep42thought> abaumann: I thought about reflector32, and the main issue is currently some mirror tracking which is not yet set up :-)
[10:58:19] <deep42thought> so anyone with some extra spare time can try to get some mirror tracking up and running and then we can have a look into a reflector fork
[10:58:41] <abaumann> that json thingy, yes.
[10:58:59] <abaumann> actually, as long there is not somebody really needing it..
[10:59:28] <deep42thought> well, that's why I haven't done it yet
[10:59:33] <deep42thought> but if something depends on it ...
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[11:00:01] <abaumann> the installer of antergos apparently.
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[11:00:17] <abaumann> but antergos has other problems: nobody takes care of a 32-bit version as for manjaro32
[11:00:23] <abaumann> by the loooks of it.
[11:00:43] <deep42thought> hmm
[11:00:51] <deep42thought> yeah, sounds like that
[11:01:11] <deep42thought> well, we could run more repositories ...
[11:01:20] <deep42thought> [antergos], [manjaro], ...
[11:01:30] <abaumann> and maintain all the things in there?
[11:01:40] <deep42thought> no
[11:01:43] <deep42thought> :-D
[11:02:29] <walle303> lol
[11:02:33] <abaumann> 1426 "contains MMX, SSE or SSE2 opcodes" errors?
[11:02:37] <abaumann> seriously?
[11:02:41] <deep42thought> btw: how will the arch=auto detection work with i686 vs pentium4?
[11:02:51] <abaumann> not.
[11:02:53] <deep42thought> uff
[11:02:59] <deep42thought> that's bad
[11:03:01] <deep42thought> (both)
[11:03:10] <abaumann> well.. on the alix I also had to change i586 to i686.
[11:03:46] <abaumann> you run it on all repos, right?
[11:03:55] <abaumann> also the ones with the known SSE2 issue (qt5, kde)
[11:03:57] <deep42thought> right
[11:04:02] <walle303> build for i386 and run on a 12mhz 80386 lol
[11:04:02] <abaumann> mine is still running.
[11:04:19] <walle303> does gentoo even allow you to do that anymore at this point?
[11:04:47] <abaumann> well. now the kernel requires at least a 486.
[11:04:53] <abaumann> but in principle yes.
[11:04:57] <deep42thought> oh, it does?
[11:05:20] <walle303> hmm
[11:05:36] <walle303> so in principal you could boot linux on a 16mhz 80486?
[11:05:46] <deep42thought> btw: the opcode sniffer has finished
[11:05:54] <abaumann> yes, you could.
[11:06:08] <abaumann> the limiting factor is more installation media (a 1.44 MB floppy is too small)..
[11:06:27] <abaumann> ..and the basic installation taking almost 1 GB will be too much for most harddisks from that period.
[11:06:39] <abaumann> but, I'll go with an SD/IDE-adapter and an 8 GB SD card.
[11:06:44] <walle303> and ram
[11:06:48] <abaumann> with LBA this should work fine.
[11:07:03] <abaumann> 16 MB is tight, the kernel needs some parameters tuned.
[11:07:06] <abaumann> but 32 MB is fine.
[11:07:16] <walle303> well damn, a 486 has a theoretical max of 4GiB of ram
[11:07:20] <abaumann> actually, my test machine runs with 24MB.
[11:07:44] <abaumann> yeah, but the BIOS usually limits it to something like 64 MB.
[11:08:01] <abaumann> I don't expect a modern X11 to work on top of that.
[11:08:10] <walle303> lots of swap
[11:08:12] <walle303> lol
[11:08:17] <abaumann> preferably not.
[11:08:44] <walle303> You might be able to squeze an openbox instance on that, barely
[11:09:06] <abaumann> the problem will be X11 itself, window managers can be quite small.
[11:09:19] <abaumann> Alpine Linux is a fine candidate for such machines.
[11:09:20] <walle303> hmm, is wayland any better?
[11:09:31] <abaumann> glibc and systemd are just too fat for embedded and old devices.
[11:10:13] <abaumann> no, wayland has limited support for hardware, and they will for sure not support old Cyrrus Logic GD5424 for instance. :-)
[11:11:15] <walle303> speaking of old devices
[11:11:18] <walle303> did archlinuxppc die
[11:11:43] <abaumann> https://bbs.archlinux.org
[11:11:43] <phrik> Title: Where did Powerpc go? / Other Architectures / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
[11:13:02] <abaumann> the problem is: modern code gets written for Intel 64-bit. Most people don't even know another architecture to exists. Some packages don't even work on ARM.
[11:13:14] <abaumann> So, PPC, SPARC are more or less doomed.
[11:13:22] <abaumann> So is 32-bit Intel. :-)
[11:13:45] <walle303> rip my pile of powerbooks
[11:15:04] <abaumann> well, that's the starting point to start a ArchlinuxPPC project again. :-)
[11:16:37] <walle303> psh, i can't even get android to properly build for a well established device
[11:17:31] <walle303> anything more complex than the linux kernel is basically a disaster for compiling
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[11:29:27] <kadiro> Hello, I want to move from antergos to archlinux32, can you guide me on the steps please
[11:29:57] <deep42thought> kadiro: what do you have in your pacman.conf, I'm unfimiliar with antergos
[11:31:08] <kadiro> deep42thought, This is the content of pacman.conf http://sprunge.us
[11:32:16] <abaumann> I played a little bit with it, but it seems, the only options is to put a mirrorlist32 for mirrorlist and update. what happens to packages in the [antergos] repo, who knows.
[11:32:22] <abaumann> most likely they break sooner or later.
[11:32:35] <deep42thought> yeah, I'd suggest to remove them
[11:33:02] <abaumann> so you loose to updater (cndi or how the thing was called).
[11:33:10] <abaumann> so you have to do updates in the shell using pacman
[11:33:29] <kadiro> so i must do a fresh install? if i understand
[11:33:34] <deep42thought> no
[11:33:51] <deep42thought> do you have "pacman"?
[11:33:57] <kadiro> yeah i have
[11:34:10] <deep42thought> then you can use it to install all the arch32 packages
[11:34:27] <deep42thought> the steps should be similar to https://archlinux32.org
[11:34:28] <phrik> Title: Arch Linux 32 (at archlinux32.org)
[11:34:53] <deep42thought> besides, you may need to disable the [antergos] repository, but probably you also can leave it enabled for now.
[11:35:24] <kadiro> I did those steps but finished with 404 not found
[11:35:41] <deep42thought> can you give the exact error?
[11:36:00] <kadiro> wait it gives ssl cert
[11:36:24] <abaumann> error: failed to retrieve mirror data: (<urlopen error [SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed (_ssl.c:645)>)
[11:36:27] <abaumann> by any chance?
[11:36:50] <abaumann> this is what the antergos-setup program gave me.
[11:37:00] <kadiro> i will give you the full errors
[11:40:21] <kadiro> this is it https://pastebin.com
[11:40:22] <phrik> Title: kadiro@MS7529:~$ sudo pacman -Syuu erreur : échec de récupération du fichi - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
[11:40:55] <deep42thought> rewbycraft: your cert has expired!
[11:41:17] <deep42thought> kadiro: use a different mirror :-)
[11:42:13] <kadiro> deep42thought, I used this https://raw.githubusercontent.com
[11:42:38] <deep42thought> yeah, but it looks like rewbycraft's cert expired a few days ago
[11:42:48] <deep42thought> so just disable his mirror and use a different one from that list
[11:42:56] <kadiro> ah
[11:44:27] <kadiro> cool thanks deep42thought
[11:44:38] <deep42thought> woohoo \o/ pool.mirror.archlinux32.org is up-to-date and does not have rewbycraft's mirror :-)
[11:44:41] <kadiro> now only antergos.db has that problem
[11:44:52] <deep42thought> ok, then disable that repository
[11:44:59] <kadiro> ok
[11:45:12] <deep42thought> you will have an archlinux32 system in the end, anyway
[11:45:27] <deep42thought> because antergos has dropped 32-bit ...
[11:48:15] <kadiro> thanks again man, i must go now
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[12:00:06] <buildmaster> codeblocks is broken (says buildknecht).
[12:06:14] <deep42thought> it can't determine the version of boost (but it found it)
[12:06:27] <deep42thought> might be the same issue that community/thrift had
[12:06:34] <deep42thought> but I'm afk for lunch now ..
[12:06:59] <abaumann> ah.. ok.. me also.. have to cook.. :-)
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[13:24:13] <deep42thought> tyzoid: thanks again for that arch32 test vm vagrant thingy - It's really useful for me :-)
[13:27:21] <abaumann> the codeblocks thingy is a little bit different than in thrift.
[13:27:30] <abaumann> m4/ax_boost_system.m4: Could not find a version of the library!
[13:27:42] <deep42thought> I just pushed a fix
[13:27:47] <abaumann> ah :-)
[13:28:04] <deep42thought> ./configure needed a --boost-lib-dir=/usr/lib or similar
[13:28:26] <deep42thought> "--with-boost-libdir=/usr/lib"
[13:28:30] <abaumann> so, maybe that would work for thrift too?
[13:28:39] <deep42thought> might
[13:28:49] <abaumann> I think, there it's the ax_boost.m4 macro
[13:28:49] <deep42thought> but I have no idea, why it's needed in the first place
[13:29:02] <abaumann> well. it works. :-)
[13:29:07] <deep42thought> yeah
[13:29:16] <deep42thought> but maybe we misconfigured something else?
[13:29:23] <deep42thought> e.g. the "standard system lib dir"
[13:29:25] <deep42thought> or similar
[13:29:35] <abaumann> if that is not /usr/lib, what then?
[13:29:41] <deep42thought> /usr/lib32
[13:29:44] <deep42thought> /usr/lib64
[13:29:46] <abaumann> on a 64-bit arch.
[13:29:48] <abaumann> yeah.
[13:29:55] <abaumann> maybe they just treat that case.
[13:31:48] <deep42thought> so it's rather an upstream-upstream mistage
[13:31:50] <deep42thought> *mistake
[13:33:21] <abaumann> yes.
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[13:59:31] <deep42thought> Hi yans, all good?
[14:00:22] <deep42thought> sry, I guess ,I'm confusing you with someone :-)
[14:02:55] <deep42thought> hmm, actually, I'm not confused
[14:17:52] <yans> deep42thought far away from good...
[14:18:00] <yans> I fucked it up, now i become kernel panic.
[14:18:07] <yans> And i cant even launch it, only chrooting.
[14:18:18] <deep42thought> oh
[14:18:21] <yans> System hangt during update process.
[14:18:36] <yans> That's why i have more errors now, than before.
[14:18:37] <deep42thought> you try to update within chroot?
[14:18:45] <yans> i cant perform update process now.
[14:18:54] <yans> I become libgcrypto.so.20 error.
[14:19:07] <deep42thought> you booted a live cd?
[14:19:35] <yans> No i try to run, my installed system from hard drive.
[14:19:41] <yans> And i chrooting from live usb.
[14:19:41] <deep42thought> ah, ok
[14:19:49] <deep42thought> the latter should work
[14:20:10] <yans> One question more, Arch32 is fully up to date?
[14:20:29] <yans> Or it's work as outdated system now?
[14:20:42] <deep42thought> what do you mean by that?
[14:21:01] <deep42thought> we build the packages which are in [core],[extra],[community] upstream (=x86_64)
[14:21:02] <yans> Cause official site not maintain it anymore.
[14:21:38] <yans> I try to fix it, today. So i just hope you be around here somewhere, if i need some help.
[14:21:40] <deep42thought> it's "fully up to date" - because I don't know, what possibly the opposite might be
[14:21:41] <yans> [:
[14:21:55] <deep42thought> well, I'll leave in <~1h
[14:22:02] <yans> And later?
[14:22:04] <deep42thought> but someone will be around :-)
[14:22:11] <abaumann> :-)
[14:22:18] <yans> Good.
[14:22:19] <deep42thought> I'll be back in the evening
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