#archlinux-ports | Logs for 2018-01-29

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[12:54:29] <cypa[m]> Hi
[12:54:50] <deep42thought> Hi
[13:02:52] <cypa[m]> can't find freerdp in repos
[13:04:20] <deep42thought> it should be in [community]
[13:04:27] <deep42thought> which mirror are you using?
[13:04:29] <cypa[m]> OK
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[13:11:43] <marquisor> hi
[13:12:28] <deep42thought> hi
[13:14:24] <Vollzornbrot> marquisor: you here?
[13:14:31] <marquisor> yo
[13:14:47] <Vollzornbrot> nice ^.^
[13:14:53] <Vollzornbrot> deep42thought: all runs fine?
[13:15:03] <deep42thought> technically: yes
[13:15:05] <deep42thought> :-)
[13:15:07] <marquisor> but i can go now ;) my arch32 runs as expected :p
[13:15:10] <Vollzornbrot> und personally?
[13:15:16] <cypa[m]> OK that was my fault - freerdp does on repos
[13:15:16] <deep42thought> well, this, too
[13:15:19] <Vollzornbrot> marquisor: good :P
[13:15:25] <deep42thought> problem are the broken packages, etc :-)
[13:15:34] <deep42thought> cypa[m]: np
[13:15:42] <Vollzornbrot> deep42thought: i know, on my archarm was the same...
[13:16:04] <marquisor> Vollzornbrot: i mirrored i686 at a fixed date on my fileserver
[13:16:25] <deep42thought> btw, I think I found the keyring issue: we updated the keyring on 2018-01-08
[13:16:26] <Vollzornbrot> marquisor: why? you can download all from any mirrors (like mime) :D
[13:16:31] <deep42thought> but the iso still has the old one
[13:16:45] <deep42thought> Vollzornbrot: he wants a fixed version
[13:16:46] <Vollzornbrot> deep42thought: not good
[13:16:50] <marquisor> for the old rigs it's enough. no need for updates of some tools that never get old or newer
[13:16:50] <Vollzornbrot> ah okay
[13:16:58] <deep42thought> Vollzornbrot: february iso will fix this :-D
[13:17:04] <marquisor> yeah no wait no fixes no hassles
[13:18:42] <marquisor> maybe in 2-3 yaers it might be another issue. we'll see. maybe then there's a 64bit emulator on fpga
[13:19:03] <marquisor> for ISA slot
[13:19:07] <marquisor> :D
[13:19:09] <Vollzornbrot> deep42thought: good, btw in 2 days i have a ALIX :>
[13:19:19] <deep42thought> :-)
[13:19:32] <deep42thought> what will you use it for?
[13:19:35] <deep42thought> just experiments?
[13:19:55] <deep42thought> (no offense)
[13:20:33] <Vollzornbrot> deep42thought: i will be my complete network over the ALIX, for connection with openvpn -> complete network
[13:20:42] <Vollzornbrot> i use freeBSD
[13:20:44] <marquisor> geode i586?
[13:20:45] <deep42thought> ah, nice
[13:20:51] <Vollzornbrot> marquisor: yes
[13:20:55] <marquisor> nice
[13:20:55] <Vollzornbrot> ALIX 2c2
[13:21:09] <marquisor> guess what i've done with my 233 MMX i586? ;)
[13:21:50] <Vollzornbrot> i dont know
[13:22:10] <marquisor> i put gentoo-i486 and upgraded it to i586!!!
[13:22:12] <marquisor> :D
[13:22:15] <Vollzornbrot> oO
[13:22:17] <Vollzornbrot> freak
[13:22:19] <marquisor> hahaha
[13:22:42] <Vollzornbrot> but my problem is i have a 400Mbit WAN but the ALIX only have 10/100
[13:22:48] <marquisor> but that was 2013/2014
[13:22:57] <marquisor> first try was rebuild arch for i586 but i failed
[13:23:06] <marquisor> makeworld
[13:23:13] <marquisor> or what was it
[13:23:17] <Vollzornbrot> my first gentoo was with a AMD K62 400MHz ^.^
[13:23:34] <marquisor> K6-2 and 3 are my favs
[13:23:34] <Vollzornbrot> the build takes verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry long :D
[13:24:03] <marquisor> not if you compile on i5/i7 or any other AMD equivalent
[13:24:16] <Vollzornbrot> yes
[13:24:20] <marquisor> i used to chroot to an nfs export from that machine
[13:24:29] <Vollzornbrot> i have now on my AMD Ryzen ArchLinux
[13:26:25] <marquisor> 100 mbit lan and scsi gives a good performance boost for nfs chroot emerging i'd say half the speed as if run directly on the i5/i7
[13:26:34] <marquisor> but nvm, OT here
[13:28:24] <Vollzornbrot> ot is okay here, i think :D
[13:28:40] <Vollzornbrot> deep42thought has no problem with ot :> iam OT here too :P
[13:29:24] <marquisor> i thought you're a real martyr of the x86_64 generation :S
[13:29:51] <Vollzornbrot> no, my first "PC" was a C64 :>
[13:29:56] <marquisor> haha
[13:30:00] <Vollzornbrot> 8bit :D
[13:30:03] <marquisor> same here :)
[13:30:32] <marquisor> i'm into building vintage PCs again and thought why not putting linux on it again
[13:31:10] <marquisor> gentoo was a proof of concept but i didn't want the whole compile shit again i already did
[13:32:17] <marquisor> so arch came to my mind but i read i686 died... don't want stinky debian or slackware so i had the idea of that own frozen mirror and it works perfect.
[13:33:21] <marquisor> migration, transition etc. not for me (yet) wasted enough time getting the hardware fixed and running.
[13:34:22] <Vollzornbrot> my ugly(iest) !? linux was a LFS... this runs, but the speed was hmm low :>
[13:34:56] <marquisor> you just have to maintain all by yourself. gentoo was born out of that
[13:35:05] <Vollzornbrot> now i am on Arch (home and work pc) and gentoo on my administration pcs (i make updates and so on) and on the company servers run Proxmox (Debian)
[13:35:13] <marquisor> but technically it's interesting, of course
[13:35:16] <Vollzornbrot> marquisor: i know ^^
[13:35:25] <deep42thought> I don't want to spoil, but I think you're really OT'ing now :-)
[13:35:44] <Vollzornbrot> marquisor: the badest was AIX, this system is soooo ugly ^^
[13:35:50] <marquisor> well it's history, like i686 soon :p
[13:35:55] <deep42thought> lol
[13:36:10] <Vollzornbrot> i think not, i686 is on many Intel Atom PCs
[13:36:16] <marquisor> and i'm happy that you guys keep it alive
[13:36:19] <Vollzornbrot> on my car i have a i686 pc
[13:36:28] <marquisor> because i love vintage
[13:36:29] <deep42thought> your car runs on i686 archlinux?
[13:36:34] <Vollzornbrot> no
[13:36:39] <Vollzornbrot> i686 debian
[13:36:54] <marquisor> i once had m68k debian on amiga!
[13:36:56] <marquisor> ^^
[13:37:19] <Vollzornbrot> i need the debian for Kodi and the UMTS + GPS stick
[13:37:38] <Vollzornbrot> the pc has only 512MB RAM and a singlecore CPU
[13:37:59] <marquisor> enough for a portable fap folder
[13:38:11] <marquisor> :D
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[13:38:59] <Vollzornbrot> i need this for navigation, music and internet surfing
[13:39:06] <marquisor> :D
[13:39:17] <Vollzornbrot> i have an old Opel corsa B
[13:39:22] <Vollzornbrot> 1.4 16V
[13:39:25] <marquisor> lol nice
[13:39:35] <Vollzornbrot> automatic with 90PS
[13:39:43] <marquisor> and 4,2l Wischwassertank
[13:39:52] <Vollzornbrot> sure?
[13:39:56] <marquisor> :>
[13:40:24] <Vollzornbrot> u know, i have my driving licence sience 12.17 ^.^
[13:40:38] <marquisor> what?!
[13:40:41] <Vollzornbrot> 2 months, and i have 1500km on it :D
[13:40:53] <marquisor> that's late ;) what have syou done before?
[13:41:32] <Vollzornbrot> with DB ^^
[13:41:47] <Vollzornbrot> i lived in Frankfurt / Main and in this city you dont need a car
[13:41:53] <marquisor> yo
[13:42:04] <Vollzornbrot> now i am 30 ^.^
[13:42:06] <marquisor> and you can be on drugs 24/7
[13:42:10] <marquisor> frankfurter applaus
[13:42:13] <Vollzornbrot> yes :D
[13:42:14] <marquisor> :>
[13:42:27] <Vollzornbrot> go higher then high :>
[13:43:26] <Vollzornbrot> on this week i buy some new LEDs for the car (tacho and clock) in blue :>
[13:43:46] <marquisor> and some lights for exterior?
[13:43:47] <Vollzornbrot> and led stripes for the feed room
[13:43:50] <marquisor> under the car
[13:43:57] <marquisor> like in nfs underground ^^
[13:44:36] <Vollzornbrot> no it is not allowed in germany
[13:44:38] <Vollzornbrot> :(
[13:45:07] <marquisor> yeah, better keep it clean next 2 years
[13:45:48] <Vollzornbrot> yes
[13:46:04] <Vollzornbrot> no alcohol :/
[13:47:08] <marquisor> and drugs and tuning
[13:47:14] <marquisor> and racing
[13:47:24] <Vollzornbrot> tuning is okay, but only with TÜV
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[14:42:37] <tyzoid> deep42thought: It's likely the entertainment system, the other onboard systems are usually difficult to reflash and/or run custom firmware on embedded micros.
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[15:02:58] <tyzoid> deep42thought: No issues installing/running arch32 from the ISO
[15:03:07] <tyzoid> not sure what the key issue is, but all the keys seem to be there.
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[15:06:51] <marquisor> what iso?
[15:06:53] <marquisor> date?
[15:07:50] <tyzoid> archlinux-2018.01.01-i686.iso
[15:10:01] <tyzoid> marquisor: That was the one you were using, right?
[15:11:44] <marquisor> nope, 12/2016 ;) but for another purpose, and all ok here. it was another guy with recent isntalling issues.
[15:12:55] <tyzoid> Ah. I think you were in the chat last night when we were discussing the issues
[15:13:13] * tyzoid goes to read the logs
[15:13:26] <marquisor> i think it was about not matching keys to actual/recent packages
[15:13:45] <marquisor> and keys may differ between x86_64 release packages and i686
[15:14:18] <marquisor> because the keys there's no mirror/backup at a specific date?!
[15:14:26] <marquisor> *for the keys
[15:15:53] <tyzoid> Not sure, even for arch, though, if you use an old iso, you'll need to upgrade the keyring locally before installing
[15:15:59] <tyzoid> if he was just using an old ISO, that'd do it
[15:16:14] <marquisor> yes
[15:16:21] <tyzoid> `pacman -Sy archlinux32-keyring && pacstrap /mnt base` would fix that.
[15:16:35] <marquisor> for me all is good ;) i stay at arch i686 latest official
[15:17:11] <tyzoid> well, some people (me included) keep around a physical install CD for longer periods of time.
[15:17:13] <marquisor> yes that works, did test that, dunno why not for him. nvm, he'll come again if he wants.
[15:17:34] <tyzoid> I think I've still got an ubuntu 14.04 CD kicking around in my backpack
[15:17:53] <marquisor> me too now and a mirror of the whole stuff from 01/2017
[15:18:31] <tyzoid> I do have http://archive.arch32.tyzoid.com available
[15:18:35] <phrik> Title: Index of / (at archive.arch32.tyzoid.com)
[15:18:46] <tyzoid> but that's a copy of the 2017 i686 packages from mainline
[15:18:50] <tyzoid> doesn't have our stuff in there yet
[15:19:04] <marquisor> that's a mirror of archive.archlinug.org isn't it?
[15:19:14] <tyzoid> Yeah, but only the i686 repos
[15:19:27] <marquisor> i just chose one date, 33G is enuff for my homeserver ;)
[15:19:36] <marquisor> yes sure
[15:19:37] <tyzoid> they're planning on deleting the repos at some point coming up
[15:19:41] <marquisor> !!!!
[15:19:41] <phrik> POPOZÃO!
[15:19:41] <tyzoid> so I grabbed 2017
[15:19:44] <marquisor> good to know!
[15:19:48] <marquisor> very good
[15:20:04] <tyzoid> don't know if having a copy of earlier is useful
[15:20:09] <marquisor> i might have known it
[15:20:42] <marquisor> i'd keep 06/2016-03/2017 (last official i686/dual iso)
[15:20:55] <marquisor> but as said one date is 33G for me
[15:21:13] <marquisor> how much does it take on yours?
[15:21:19] <marquisor> with nearly the whole 2017?
[15:22:09] <tyzoid> I think it's like 400GB or something
[15:22:15] <marquisor> oO
[15:22:30] <marquisor> i calculated 30G x 360d = 10.8 TB
[15:22:32] <marquisor> ;)
[15:22:42] <tyzoid> Well not every single package is updated every day
[15:22:54] <tyzoid> and the isos don't change but once a month
[15:22:58] <marquisor> no but the archive keeps ALL the packages?
[15:23:02] <tyzoid> though I'm not sure if the ALA keeps isos
[15:23:04] <marquisor> at a specific date
[15:23:06] <tyzoid> Yes, all the packages
[15:23:19] <marquisor> so there's very much redundance
[15:23:21] <tyzoid> but it only stores one copy of each version
[15:23:28] <marquisor> ah i see
[15:23:30] <marquisor> how that?
[15:23:38] <tyzoid> how? symlinks
[15:23:50] <marquisor> good idea
[15:23:58] <marquisor> hehe damn. didn't consider that
[15:24:06] <marquisor> and how? you made a script?
[15:25:51] <tyzoid> I didn't, that's how the ArchLinux Archive works
[15:26:13] <tyzoid> I need to fork the script/write one that works with our mirror systems
[15:26:19] <marquisor> !
[15:26:23] <tyzoid> because right now, we've got a growing gap between november and now
[15:27:17] <marquisor> there's a filesystem which automatically? keeps only one copy of a file
[15:27:39] <tyzoid> btrfs, I believe
[15:27:40] <marquisor> dedup
[15:27:51] <tyzoid> dedupfs is still kinda iffy
[15:27:57] <marquisor> zfs at leasst
[15:28:02] <marquisor> takes mucha ram :>
[15:28:10] <tyzoid> I knew a guy that tried to run dedupfs, and had bad fs corruption
[15:28:19] <marquisor> hehe
[15:28:31] <marquisor> well it shouldn't be too difficult to crawl and link
[15:28:59] <tyzoid> Yeah. It only needs to run nightly, so even if it takes half an hour to do the dedup, that's fine.
[15:29:06] <marquisor> yep
[15:31:08] <marquisor> damn i'm not good enough with sql, i would use a database for fetching new stuff
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[15:34:33] <tyzoid> You mean for the archive?
[15:35:23] <marquisor> yes for keeping it all smart and slim
[15:35:45] <marquisor> dunno if it's worth the effort
[15:36:12] <marquisor> a bash crawler could be sufficient
[15:36:37] <marquisor> but touches everything everytime
[15:37:35] <tyzoid> I could do it in sql, but that'd be sort of a pain. I'd rather just do it in bash
[15:37:59] <marquisor> !pita
[15:37:59] <phrik> It's a pita in the ass!
[15:38:01] <tyzoid> 'cause if I do it in sql, I'd need to use python, PHP, or C.
[15:42:53] <deep42thought> tyzoid: the problem with the iso is, that abaumann's key does not come with all signatures
[15:43:13] <deep42thought> compare "pacman-key --list-sigs baumann" before and after running "pacman -S archlinux32-keyring"
[15:43:47] <tyzoid> Well I tested on 2018.01.01, which I think doesn't have that problem
[15:46:42] <deep42thought> huh? I looked at the same
[15:46:58] <deep42thought> and we updated the keyring at 2018-01-08, probably for exactly that reason
[15:48:24] <deep42thought> so, anyway: I believe "pacman -S archlinux32-keyring" on the install media fixes the issue, and the issue should be abscent on the february iso
[15:48:52] <deep42thought> so: nothing to do :-)
[15:49:50] <tyzoid> deep42thought: I did a full install without needing to do that step, though
[15:50:01] <tyzoid> that's what I'm saying. Something isn't quite adding up
[15:50:12] <deep42thought> hmm
[15:50:42] <deep42thought> lemme recheck
[15:51:07] <deep42thought> well, actually, I did not try to install - I just looked at the signatures ...
[15:52:22] <deep42thought> you're right: it has three valid signatures
[15:52:39] <deep42thought> ... not all that it has now, but still: it has three valid master-key-signatures
[15:56:51] <tyzoid> That's why I'm suspecting he's just on an old ISO
[15:56:57] <deep42thought> yeah, ok
[15:57:38] <deep42thought> we should include some cryptic hash in the prompt of the iso and ask for it everytime, someone reports a problem ;-)
[15:58:17] <tyzoid> Or just archiso-get-version
[15:58:24] <deep42thought> yeah
[15:58:44] <tyzoid> I wonder if lsb_release would work
[16:00:28] <tyzoid> looks like not
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[17:18:55] <buildmaster> splint is broken (says buildknecht2).
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[22:06:48] <buildmaster> virtualbox is broken (says buildknecht2).
[22:07:12] <guys> makes sense splint is broken, it is broken for us too
[22:07:29] <guys> oh duh, of course that was you
[22:07:34] <guys> man, this is wild stuff
[22:09:42] <guys> chromium hates the ffmpeg internal code: ../../third_party/ffmpeg/libavcodec/x86/cabac.h:193:9: error: inline assembly requires more registers than available
[22:12:48] <MrBIOS> heh, that code was probably just never written with hardware that old in mind
[22:12:52] <MrBIOS> that ASM, rather
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[22:52:47] <deep42thought> guys: yeah, I like to be pedantic about packages :-)
[22:52:58] <deep42thought> or rather the buildmaster is pedantic about packages :-/
[22:59:51] <guys> And you hadn't yet marked its blocker, so I got vaguely confused.
[23:00:10] <guys> Oh, did you see the news? I am probably going to become the dbscripts/devtools maintainer!
[23:00:58] <guys> https://buildmaster.archlinux32.org is broken on the https://buildmaster.archlinux32.org link
[23:00:59] <phrik> Title: List of broken package builds (at buildmaster.archlinux32.org)
[23:02:50] <guys> OOM issues strike again with virtualbox
[23:03:35] <guys> > virtual memory exhausted: Operation not permitted
[23:04:42] <deep42thought> guys: it is blocked, it is just that I broke the part of the script which also marks it in the mysql database as blocked
[23:04:46] <guys> libasl should be properly marked as being blocked by https://bugs.archlinux.org
[23:04:46] <phrik> Title: FS#57236 : [libasl] Doesn't build with out netcdf (at bugs.archlinux.org)
[23:04:51] <guys> oh, haha
[23:05:16] <deep42thought> ah, wait
[23:05:22] <deep42thought> libasl has been blocked once
[23:05:23] <deep42thought> I think
[23:05:30] <deep42thought> I was talking about splint
[23:07:34] <deep42thought> thanks for the hint
[23:07:55] <guys> Well, splint already has its blocker reference
[23:08:10] <deep42thought> yes
[23:08:17] <deep42thought> since I repaired the database
[23:08:18] <deep42thought> :-)
[23:09:14] <deep42thought> when you've become the dbscripts maintainer, you can merge all our cryptic / hackish changes :-D
[23:09:40] <deep42thought> or precisely tell us, why they're unnecessary and we drop them ;-)
[23:09:51] <deep42thought> so, now libasl is blocked (again?), too
[23:10:34] <deep42thought> and the link is fixed ,too
[23:13:02] <guys> deep42thought: I'll be happy to upstream whatever makes sense or helps downstream projects keep their own patching down... the rest is on you!
[23:13:16] <deep42thought> thanks :-)
[23:13:38] <guys> lukeshu: do you have a list of parabola patches that are upstreamable?
[23:17:12] <lukeshu> guys: to dbscripts?
[23:17:36] <lukeshu> no, not right now
[23:18:41] <guys> Yes
[23:18:47] <guys> You did mention https://git.parabola.nu
[23:18:49] <phrik> Title: devtools-par.git - Arch devtools with patches by Parabola devs (not Parabola specific) (at git.parabola.nu)
[23:20:03] <deep42thought> in my overwhelming laziness, I just rebased our devtools32 similar to that branch :-)
[23:20:26] <guys> And I think you've already submitted most/all devtools patches from parabola if relevant?
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[23:21:05] <lukeshu> guys: yes, all changes in parabola's devtools that I think are upstreamable have already been sent upstream
[23:21:14] <deep42thought> I'll go to bed, need to catch some sleep :-/
[23:21:18] <deep42thought> cu later, guys
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[23:22:00] <lukeshu> guys: but parabola's & arch's dbscripts have diverged in stupid ways, and it will be a decent chunk of work to pull out the upstreamable changes
[23:22:22] <guys> Right, I was just wondering if you'd done any of that work yet
[23:22:45] <lukeshu> Some, but not enough