#archlinux-ports | Logs for 2018-03-15

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[06:56:30] <walle303> i have been summoned
[06:56:52] <walle303> nobody gives a damn about your spam stfu
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[10:10:03] <deep42thought> should we skip looking for "link dependencies" in "any" pacakges?
[10:10:32] <deep42thought> netbeans looks rather frightening :-)
[10:11:09] <abaumann> yeah, never liked those monster-IDEs. :-)
[10:11:36] <abaumann> the risk is, that those top-level packages block the build..
[10:11:43] <abaumann> like chromium.
[10:15:37] <abaumann> vlc doesn't build for me on 64-bit. Tons of error messages in video_filter/libopencv_wrapper_plugin_la-opencv_wrapper
[10:15:58] <deep42thought> bugbugbug :-)
[10:17:05] <abaumann> aha. points to opencv2.
[10:17:51] <abaumann> https://github.com
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[10:17:53] <phrik> Title: vlc FTBFS with opencv-3.4.1 · Issue #10963 · opencv/opencv · GitHub (at github.com)
[10:18:44] <abaumann> yeah. I think, I risk to write a bug report ;-)
[10:21:08] <abaumann> mmh. a C header file which must be built with a C++ compiler, nice. :-)
[10:29:11] <abaumann> I'll test if the proposed patch to the opencv header file makes vlc compile again..
[10:29:34] <deep42thought> ah, it was a patch to opencv header file inside vlc?
[10:29:41] <deep42thought> or do we need to change opencv?
[10:30:12] <abaumann> opencv needs a patch to the header file making it compilable with C. vlc uses C to compile its plugins..
[10:30:23] <abaumann> Yes the patch is for opencv.
[10:30:26] <deep42thought> ok
[10:31:20] <abaumann> https://bugs.archlinux.org
[10:31:20] <phrik> Title: FS#57811 : [vlc] fails to build with opencv 3.4.1-1 (at bugs.archlinux.org)
[10:31:30] <abaumann> Found it, so I'll just block it in the buildmaster..
[10:31:52] <deep42thought> :-)
[10:31:54] <deep42thought> thanks
[10:33:35] <abaumann> This will make guys happy, I actually checked the knowledge base of bugs first.. ;-)
[10:33:49] <deep42thought> :-D
[10:38:26] <deep42thought> !grab abaumann
[10:38:26] <phrik> deep42thought: Tada!
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[10:40:13] <abaumann> walle303? What was that about?
[10:40:28] <deep42thought> abaumann: I deleted the spam already
[10:40:42] <abaumann> ah. ok.
[10:41:35] <walle303> abaumann: just regular IRC spam
[10:42:40] <abaumann> walle303: ah, ok. I just saw your message in the chatlogs and not the original spam, so I got confused. :-)
[10:42:57] <walle303> lol
[10:44:21] <walle303> maybe spam should be replaced instead of flat out removed in logs
[10:44:29] <deep42thought> yeah
[10:44:33] <deep42thought> probably a good idea
[10:44:41] <walle303> eg [spam deleted] instead of nothing
[10:44:55] * deep42thought will do this in the future
[10:45:07] <deep42thought> Or I could replace it with different spam :-D
[10:45:25] <walle303> lol
[10:45:40] <walle303> shamwow quotes
[10:46:20] <abaumann> lol
[10:47:02] <walle303> whatever that guy's name was
[10:47:56] <walle303> oh oh, or do billy mays quotes
[10:48:24] <walle303> or make them up lmao
[10:48:36] <walle303> "hi, billy mays here to bring you the irc spamulator 6000"
[10:59:05] <buildmaster> haskell-microlens-aeson is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[11:58:02] <deep42thought> *grrrr*
[11:59:30] <deep42thought> damn them typos
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[12:07:07] <mike1960> hi, can someone please help me with archlinux32 I can't do a system upgrade: getting mirrors errors
[12:07:31] <deep42thought> mike1960: you followed archlinux32.org/download ?
[12:07:46] <mike1960> yes i did
[12:08:11] <deep42thought> can you please paste the error on ptpb.pw ?
[12:08:43] <mike1960> ptpb.pw?
[12:08:53] <deep42thought> http://ptpb.pw
[12:08:54] <phrik> Title: pb (at ptpb.pw)
[12:10:42] <mike1960> I'll have to type it out. but when i run pacman -Syuu I get "error: failed retrieving file core.db from archlinux32.mirror.roelf.org
[12:10:53] <deep42thought> ah
[12:10:59] <deep42thought> comment out that mirror
[12:11:08] <deep42thought> rewbycraft has still certificate issues
[12:11:25] <mike1960> no matter what i put intomirrorlist
[12:11:39] <deep42thought> other mirrors don't work as well?
[12:11:58] <mike1960> which mirror should I use? I can't seem to get any to work
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[12:12:13] <deep42thought> what's your location?
[12:12:20] <mike1960> south africa
[12:13:39] <deep42thought> then they're all the same distance to you
[12:13:49] <mike1960> yep :)
[12:14:01] <deep42thought> they should all work except the france on
[12:14:02] <deep42thought> *one
[12:14:07] <mike1960> any suggestions on which one to use?
[12:14:22] <deep42thought> singapore
[12:14:34] <deep42thought> (it was a random choice)
[12:17:30] <mike1960> wait... i think I have ethernet issue...
[12:17:56] <deep42thought> some of the mirrors are reachable on ipv4 only
[12:18:05] <mike1960> ping archlinux.org gave me "name or service not known"
[12:18:17] <deep42thought> ok, that's a problem on your end
[12:18:25] <deep42thought> name resolution
[12:18:47] <mike1960> yep! sorry for wasting your time. I should've checked that 1st
[12:18:59] <deep42thought> np
[12:19:07] <mike1960> now I need to google...
[12:19:16] <deep42thought> /etc/resolve.conf
[12:21:29] <mike1960> thanks!
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[13:06:22] <petrus> hello, I have just bricked my i686 system with the latest upgrade a few minutes ago. The update worked fro a while but at the end pacman crashed with: pacman: error while loading shared libraries: libpsl.so.6: cannot open shared object file
[13:07:48] <petrus> anybody has encountered something similar?
[13:22:06] <deep42thought> !wtf libpsl.so
[13:22:07] <phrik> deep42thought: core/libpsl
[13:23:10] <deep42thought> petrus: are you on stable or testing?
[13:23:22] <petrus> stable
[13:23:26] <deep42thought> :-/
[13:23:55] <deep42thought> it looks like pacman was accidentally moved from testing to stable too soon
[13:24:05] <deep42thought> the correct libpsl is in testing
[13:25:06] <petrus> deep42thought: thanks, I'll try to hack it from testing then
[13:25:35] <deep42thought> umm
[13:25:45] <deep42thought> does pacman actually depend on that library?
[13:25:54] <petrus> yes
[13:26:15] <deep42thought> ah, curl and wget do depend on it
[13:26:17] <petrus> catch of 22
[13:27:07] <deep42thought> so it was _curl_, that was moved too soon
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[13:31:24] <petrus> both pacman and curl depends on this library and currently try to load libpsl.so.6
[13:31:57] <deep42thought> The package "pacman" does not depend on it - it may call it indirectly, though
[13:34:37] <petrus> try: ldd /usr/bin/pacman
[13:35:08] <deep42thought> this also shows indirect dependencies
[13:35:31] <deep42thought> "objdump -x /usr/bin/pacman | grep NEEDED" does not show it
[13:38:17] <deep42thought> libalpm.so -> libcurl.so -> libpsl.so
[13:39:00] <petrus> after getting libpsl.so.6 from testing pacman works again
[13:39:14] <buildmaster> deep42thought: my database is dirty again ...
[13:39:20] * deep42thought thought so
[13:40:16] <petrus> from the output of ldd pacman: libpsl.so.6 => /usr/lib/libpsl.so.6 (0xb7753000)
[13:40:26] <deep42thought> yes
[13:40:44] <deep42thought> lddtree shows you which library actually pulls that in
[13:40:57] <petrus> the same "fix" for curl, package-query who knows what else
[13:41:23] <deep42thought> I just moved the library from testing to core now
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[13:43:36] <petrus> thanks
[13:43:41] <deep42thought> np
[13:43:46] <deep42thought> thanks for reporting it
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[13:45:08] * deep42thought might have found the root of the issue
[13:46:44] <deep42thought> Does anyone know this feeling, when you find so many bugs that you wonder how this piece of software was ever working?
[13:47:13] <petrus> :-), yep
[13:48:05] <deep42thought> ah crap
[13:48:18] <deep42thought> now I broke community/libcurl-gnutls and community/libcurl-compat
[13:48:20] * bill-auger_ thinks the human being is in that category
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[13:50:20] <buildmaster> deep42thought: my database is dirty again ...
[13:50:43] <deep42thought> well, if that's the case, then I may just fuck it up a little more ...
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[13:55:52] <buildmaster> liferea is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[14:01:35] <buildmaster> nvidia-lts is broken (says rechenknecht).
[14:03:36] <buildmaster> nvidia is broken (says rechenknecht).
[14:04:50] <petrus> Another problem I have been struggling for a week or so is xmonad (sometimes xmobar). Various shared libs are out of sync. Currently xmonad misses libHSmtl-2.2.2.
[14:05:13] <deep42thought> yeah haskell is a big todo, sadly
[14:05:26] <deep42thought> https://buildmaster.archlinux32.org
[14:05:27] <phrik> Title: More and less critical issues with the database (at buildmaster.archlinux32.org)
[14:05:30] <petrus> I have just fetched it from testing and it works again
[14:06:23] <petrus> I meant only the haskell-mtl-2.2.2-1.0 package
[14:07:01] <deep42thought> ok, I'll try to move that, too
[14:10:22] <buildmaster> deep42thought: my database is dirty again ...
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[14:17:33] <petrus> So xmonad okay with this now, but xmobar is still not working.
[14:19:38] <petrus> This is a reverse situation looks xmobar (even in testing) built with an older haskell-regex-compat package.
[14:21:21] <petrus> the current is haskell-regex-compat 0.95.1-10.0 but xmobar wants to load 0.95.1-9
[14:28:21] <buildmaster> deep42thought: my database is dirty again ...
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[14:53:24] <buildmaster> dotnet-sdk is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[15:14:03] <deep42thought> petrus: does the new xmobar in testing work for you?
[15:19:53] <petrus> no, I have tried it, it had the same problem
[15:20:09] <deep42thought> the one I just uploaded?
[15:20:36] <petrus> oops that was a while ago, let me try it again
[15:26:06] <petrus> No, it doesn't work, it is still looking for libHSregex-compat-0.95.1-9KJ50f...
[15:26:40] <deep42thought> :-(
[15:26:55] <deep42thought> xmobar-0.25-13.0-i686.pkg.tar.xz, right?
[15:26:56] <petrus> the current lib is libHSregex-compat-0.95.1-vWU5ST...
[15:27:39] <petrus> yes, xmobar 0.25-13.0 just fetched from testing
[15:29:39] * deep42thought doesn't like haskell and its dependency mess
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[15:34:20] <deep42thought> hmm, this library is not provided by any package, it seems
[15:35:56] <petrus> yes it is, by the haskell-regex-compat 0.95.1
[15:36:25] <petrus> you just need to rebuild it in the current setting
[15:37:00] <deep42thought> I meant, the dependency database believes, no package provides libHSregex-compat-0.95.1-vWU5STOtMi6yQryYjRhah-ghc8.2.2.so
[15:37:13] <deep42thought> which is most probably true
[15:37:40] <petrus> the rest of the lib's name is just hash since haskell does not provide abi compatibility even between reabuilds
[15:37:44] <petrus> yes sure
[15:38:08] <deep42thought> I know
[15:38:13] <deep42thought> but that's the important part
[15:38:22] <deep42thought> if you want to not-break the dependencies
[15:38:48] <deep42thought> does xmonad from staging work for you?
[15:38:55] <deep42thought> err. from community-staging
[15:39:09] <deep42thought> err. xmobar
[15:39:11] <deep42thought> :-/
[15:40:18] <petrus> IMHO the only reasonable solution for the "haskell" problem in arch would be to build both shared and static libs and always build programs static.
[15:41:22] <petrus> in arch they insist on shared libs, in haskell circles they say always use static.
[15:41:35] <deep42thought> we're currently inserting all provided libraries and all linked libraries into our database
[15:42:01] <deep42thought> in the hope that we notice breaking linking early
[15:42:21] <petrus> I happen to disagree with both, dynamic libs have there place as static too, so that's why my suggestion.
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[15:46:09] <tyzoid> petrus: FYI, we do have the arch32 archive: https://archive.archlinux32.org
[15:46:11] <phrik> Title: Index of /repos/2018 (at archive.archlinux32.org)
[15:46:18] <tyzoid> if an older package might fix part of the issue
[15:49:02] <petrus> tyzoid: thanks, but unfortunately haskell programs huge lib dependency lattice make this kind of stepping back practically impossible.
[15:49:26] <petrus> that is why I suggest to build haskell programs statically linked
[15:50:28] <petrus> this one sided decision on using only shared haskell libs made using haskell in production env very hard.
[15:50:58] <abaumann_> upstream Archlinux has shared libs.. so we follow that principle.
[15:51:04] <deep42thought> petrus: I see your point, but I'd really like not to deviate from upstream arch too much
[15:51:32] <abaumann_> we should see, why those dependencies get so weird all the time. :-)
[15:51:51] <deep42thought> probably my fault
[15:52:02] <abaumann_> it's always your fault ;-)
[15:52:11] <deep42thought> petrus: can you test xmobar-0.25-13.1?
[15:52:25] <deep42thought> abaumann_: whose fault should it be else?
[15:52:38] <deep42thought> :-D
[15:52:39] <abaumann_> exactly, there are not too many candidates. ;-)
[15:53:10] <deep42thought> abaumann_: but I can assure you, that sometimes, you make a mistake, too ;-P
[15:53:21] <abaumann_> nae.. ;-)
[15:53:25] <abaumann_> *grin*
[15:54:53] <petrus> deep42thought: just a moment, downloading ...
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[16:01:14] <petrus> deep42thought: I have noticed, you made rebuilds for regex-compat-0.95.1 meanwhile, so I run these through (-Syu) too
[16:01:45] <petrus> and tried all xmobar (stable, testing) -- they still not working.
[16:01:47] <deep42thought> yes, probably a good idea
[16:02:04] <deep42thought> what library is missing?
[16:02:10] <deep42thought> from the testing one
[16:03:14] <petrus> % yaourt -Q xmobar haskell-regex-compat
[16:03:16] <petrus> community/xmobar 0.25-13.0
[16:03:18] <petrus> community/haskell-regex-compat 0.95.1-11.0
[16:03:20] <petrus> % xmobar
[16:03:22] <petrus> xmobar: error while loading shared libraries: libHSlibmpd-
[16:03:52] <deep42thought> 0.25-13.0 is the old one
[16:03:58] <deep42thought> please test 0.25-13.1
[16:04:10] <petrus> oops, let me fix that
[16:04:25] <petrus> too many packages lying around
[16:05:14] <petrus> with xmobar-0.25-13.1 : xmobar: error while loading shared libraries: libHSlibmpd-
[16:05:24] <petrus> :-(
[16:05:28] <deep42thought> :-(
[16:06:19] <deep42thought> ah, you'll need haskell-libmpd from community-testing, too
[16:06:36] <deep42thought> or I could just move both to community
[16:06:39] <deep42thought> :-/
[16:08:05] <petrus> actually a lot of missing:
[16:08:10] <petrus> libHSlibmpd- => not found
[16:08:12] <petrus> libHShinotify-0.3.9-JlGkv9dYANlFh8TRWOAzjE-ghc8.2.2.so => not found
[16:08:14] <petrus> libHSstm- => not found
[16:08:16] <petrus> libHSdbus-0.10.15-KhkwgLZwAxw5c2ZaN1aCxC-ghc8.2.2.so => not found
[16:08:18] <petrus> libHSHTTP-4000.3.10-DwyJZ0wc0SP3DL3ebZdeLc-ghc8.2.2.so => not found
[16:08:20] <petrus> libHStext- => not found
[16:08:20] <deep42thought> most probably all in testing
[16:08:22] <petrus> libHStext- => not found
[16:08:47] <petrus> yes, that could be.
[16:10:31] <petrus> Maybe that is a silly question, I am not familiar with the building env, but could you just type xmobar in the testing environment.
[16:10:56] <petrus> if it complains only about DISPLAY it is fine
[16:10:56] <deep42thought> yeah, let me install it
[16:15:10] <petrus> the same with xmonad
[16:16:24] <deep42thought> $ xmonad
[16:16:24] <deep42thought> /home/vagrant/.xmonad/xmonad-i386-linux: executeFile: does not exist (No such file or directory)
[16:16:24] <deep42thought> xmonad: user error (openDisplay)
[16:16:28] <deep42thought> still noremal?
[16:16:50] <deep42thought> xmobar only complains about the display
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[16:19:29] <petrus> yes, xmonad a bit more complicated, but that part works for now
[16:20:40] <petrus> well if xmobar works in testing env, then you "just" need to move all the above listed libs into stable :-)
[16:20:54] * deep42thought is already on it
[16:21:06] <petrus> and most likely break some other stuff again
[16:21:12] <deep42thought> yeah, for sure
[16:21:22] <deep42thought> I'm used to it
[16:21:52] <deep42thought> on the other hand: id "db-update" works as intended, it should not break dependencies - not even haskell ones.
[16:21:57] <deep42thought> s/id/if/
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[16:27:02] <tyzoid> !give deep42thought q tyzoid
[16:27:04] <phrik> deep42thought: <tyzoid> bugs are just unintended features
[16:28:35] <deep42thought> ok, xmonad and xmobar arrived in [community] and the database does not complain about any unresolvable dependencies
[16:28:39] <deep42thought> ah
[16:28:41] <deep42thought> no
[16:28:52] <deep42thought> I had the "ignore-haskell" switch turned on
[16:32:33] <deep42thought> ok, xmobar should work now
[16:32:37] <deep42thought> in stable
[16:35:18] <petrus> which mirror should I use, there seems to be some delay with propagation.
[16:35:30] <deep42thought> mirror.archlinux32.org is the master
[16:35:53] <petrus> okay
[16:36:25] <petrus> that is in Germany, right?
[16:36:29] <deep42thought> yes
[16:40:21] <petrus> xmonad is OK, xmobar is not: error while loading shared libraries: libHSnetwork-
[16:40:36] <deep42thought> huh
[16:40:43] <deep42thought> the database says vice versa
[16:40:45] <deep42thought> :-(
[16:40:51] <deep42thought> but I really gotta go now
[16:40:56] <deep42thought> sry
[16:41:24] <petrus> that is fine, thank you for your help.
[16:42:11] <petrus> a last word. I appreciate that you don't want to break with the big guys at arch
[16:42:19] <deep42thought> :-)
[16:42:29] <deep42thought> cu
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[16:43:20] <petrus> still this haskell problem should be solved sooner or later in general. unfortunately it became a political game.
[16:44:33] <guys> we're getting mixed messages from ghc upstream though, do they or don't they support this???
[16:44:34] <petrus> maybe if you guys willing able etc to do in a way I suggested here in the small league, it would solve this in general
[16:45:06] <guys> maybe haskell should figure out how to stabilize binary compatibility within rebuilds of the exact same code :/
[16:48:16] <petrus> when arch made that change, there were a lot of problems. that is fine, it is getting better on x86_64
[16:51:07] <petrus> there are some noisy and stubborn people on both camps and that does not help
[16:52:41] <petrus> in fact ghc recent dev docs says that shared libs are important.
[16:55:18] <petrus> ghc cannot do some cross module optimization when dyn libs involved. that is true still in many cases you want to use dynamic loading.
[16:58:10] <petrus> You need both static and dynamic linking. if you you want to use arch in production env with haskell, you need to build fundamental executables in static mode for stability.
[16:59:20] <petrus> In the same time, it is nice to have upto date fast rolling shared libs too.
[17:00:32] <guys> Is this ("cannot do some cross module optimization when dyn libs involved.") supposed to be a problem unique to haskell?
[17:02:01] <petrus> haskell and similar languages, maybe more general, not sure. that should be fine.
[17:02:22] <abaumann> So, no LTO in Haskell?
[17:04:03] <guys> But AFAIK the only actual issue haskell has is lack of ABI stability...
[17:04:08] <petrus> It is against to static typing
[17:08:11] <petrus> ABI stability is a hard nut to crack with a very aggressive optimizing compiler like ghc
[17:08:38] <petrus> all these are fine, nice research projects too,
[17:10:07] <petrus> we (at arch) still could use haskell fine if both static and shared libs were built and execs as static.
[17:10:36] <petrus> it is just a method of deployment and sysadmin.
[17:11:21] <petrus> arch used to be a great env for haskell. unfortunately it is not so friendly right now.
[17:12:26] <petrus> if one use arch and haskell in production, one is forced to roll their own most of the time.
[17:13:41] <petrus> My two cents ... :-)
[17:14:00] <petrus> bye for now
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[17:24:42] <buildmaster> haskell-wai-extra is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[17:32:11] <buildmaster> haskell-wai-logger is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[21:06:20] <buildmaster> deep42thought: my database is dirty again ...
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[21:44:20] <Alina-malina> what is the pakage for radare2?
[21:44:26] <Alina-malina> the latest
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[22:00:40] <Alina-malina> great, now i am getting this error:
[22:00:41] <Alina-malina> :: Proceed with installation? [Y/n] Y
[22:00:42] <Alina-malina> :: Retrieving packages...
[22:00:42] <Alina-malina> error: failed retrieving file 'libzip-1.3.2-1.0-i686.pkg.tar.xz' from sgp.mirror.archlinux32.org : Resolving timed out after 10520 milliseconds
[22:00:42] <Alina-malina> warning: failed to retrieve some files
[22:02:25] <guys> that is saying your internet connection doesn't work
[22:02:32] <Alina-malina> oh hmmm
[22:02:34] <Alina-malina> strange
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[22:07:37] <Alina-malina> i get same error, but my internet connection does work
[22:09:53] <tyzoid> Alina-malina: Did you try other mirrors?
[22:10:29] <Alina-malina> tyzoid, hmmmm what ip to ping to make sure its reachble?
[22:10:54] <tyzoid>
[22:11:41] <Alina-malina> 64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=274 ms
[22:11:45] <Alina-malina> yes there is bing
[22:12:05] <tyzoid> What server are you querying for DNS?
[22:12:20] <Alina-malina> google
[22:12:26] <Alina-malina>
[22:12:30] <Alina-malina>
[22:12:39] <tyzoid> ah, isn't right
[22:12:42] <tyzoid> it's
[22:13:48] <Alina-malina> oh just a moment i think there is something different now in my resolve.conf, omg.....i think vpn set it up
[22:13:58] <Alina-malina> vpn set its own stuff there
[22:14:05] <Alina-malina> soe random dns...
[22:18:30] <Alina-malina> nope same error
[22:18:43] <Alina-malina> i can now ping and i can nslookup the servers
[22:18:47] <Alina-malina> but i still get the same error
[22:20:04] <Alina-malina> from mex.mirror.archlinux32.org : The requested URL returned error: 404
[22:20:07] * buildmaster resumes sanity.
[22:20:22] <Alina-malina> mexicans not use radare2
[22:20:56] <Alina-malina> same
[22:21:01] <Alina-malina> maybe there is no radare2?
[22:21:04] <Alina-malina> but there is
[22:21:25] <tyzoid> Alina-malina: Usually 404 errors indicate that your Sync DB is out of date
[22:21:37] <tyzoid> an -Syu usually fixes that
[22:21:55] <Alina-malina> oh
[22:22:05] <Alina-malina> i hope it wont break anything there
[22:22:13] <Alina-malina> i already broke some configurations last time
[22:22:20] <Alina-malina> when i did fully upgrade
[22:22:57] <tyzoid> Not sure. Hopefully it won't break anything
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[22:23:11] <tyzoid> Regardless, I'm heading off
[22:23:14] <tyzoid> hey deep42thought
[22:23:21] <deep42thought> Alina-malina: If you're breaking configurations by an update, you're configuring in the wrong place
[22:23:26] <deep42thought> hi tyzoid
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[23:01:59] <buildmaster> deep42thought: my database is dirty again ...
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