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[13:51:38] <Segaja> hi. i'm upgrading a laptop that has last seen updates in november 2016. it currently runs archlinux but i know that archlinux dropped i686 support in november 2017. any suggestions if i should switch to archlinux32 already from january 2017 archive updates on or only from november 2017?
[18:14:17] <drathir_tor> Segaja: if it have 64bit support migrate to al probably best move if dont #archlinux32 to go...
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[19:04:13] <Segaja> well in theory the laptop can do 64bit but i don't want to reinstall it. currently i'm upgrading to ALA as far as it supports 32bit
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[20:46:50] <drathir_tor> Segaja: lookout for package format change You most likely need use standalone pacman...
[20:47:17] <drathir_tor> Segaja: let know how it goes...
[21:11:43] <Segaja> drathir_tor: well i'm going in monthly steps. hoping that this will avoid some issues. but i'm now in august 2017 and i have issues downloading the packages from archive.archlinux32.org. the error i get is: Maximum file size exceeded
[21:12:55] <drathir_tor> Segaja: try download file directly into pacman cache...
[21:13:12] <Segaja> you mean via browser or wget?
[21:13:40] <drathir_tor> Segaja: just cd /var/cache/pacman/pkg/ and wget it
[21:14:28] <drathir_tor> Segaja: i remember sometimes pacman buildin downloaded have not like some packages names...
[21:15:02] <drathir_tor> downloaded/downloader* like extra flags set...
[21:15:46] <drathir_tor> after download it pacman should proceed further...
[21:23:23] <Segaja> interesting. the archive doesn't have the ffmpeg version that pacman wants
[21:23:52] <Segaja> the ffmpeg archive oldest entry is 1:3.4.1 but it wants 1:3.3.3.3-2
[21:26:52] <Segaja> same for wpa_supplicant
[21:32:44] <drathir_tor> Segaja: does repo pacman -Syw goes w/o errors ?
[21:32:53] <Segaja> drathir_tor: direct download doesn't work. pacman then reports the package is corrupt (checksum)
[21:33:16] <drathir_tor> k thats bad than...
[21:33:29] <Segaja> the non existing packages i have uninstalled for now. i don't need wlan :D
[21:33:52] <drathir_tor> Segaja: lucky than...
[21:34:41] <Segaja> hm but if i download the packages from the archive, how can it be "corrupt"?
[21:35:46] <drathir_tor> Segaja: its latest one ?
[21:36:32] <Segaja> all of the manual downloaded packages are now "invalid"
[21:36:58] <drathir_tor> if latest one the same maybe builid/sign fails...
[21:37:28] <drathir_tor> Segaja: You can always try download .sig for such packages...
[21:37:44] <Segaja> well i'm still on archive 2017/08/30
[21:38:47] <Segaja> i could update through normal ALA until end of october and hope this helps to have a more stable AL32A base
[21:39:08] <drathir_tor> maybe jump further in time before new format of compressing provided...
[21:39:25] <Segaja> on AL32A or ALA?
[21:40:38] <drathir_tor> Segaja: with 32... if You intend go with 64bit i would suggest clean reinstall and recover user profile...
[21:40:51] <Segaja> not right now
[21:41:10] <Segaja> how far do yoou think it is save to jump on AL32A in one step?
[21:43:04] <drathir_tor> Segaja: hard to say but i mostly have no bigger problems with periods 6 month to 1y if no big changes like pacman packages compression change...
[21:44:18] <drathir_tor> Segaja: bc sadly have some ppl where not as often able to update...
[21:45:22] <Segaja> i think the next compression change i see in the news of archlinux.org is in 2020-01-04
[21:46:34] <Segaja> hm i think this "Maximum file size exceeded" is an issue of the apache in front of AL32A
[21:46:58] <Segaja> would the use of a pacman-static help?
[21:47:47] <drathir_tor> Segaja: at al before symlinking /sbin and /lib as i remember is no chance to upgrade here probably not such issue with al32
[21:49:08] <drathir_tor> Segaja: yep You anyway need static to update to latest, bc current pacman not recognize new package compression standard most likely...
[21:49:26] <drathir_tor> current like Your old-ish...
[21:50:08] <Segaja> well that was the idea why i jumped in short intervals
[21:51:07] <Segaja> can i use a current version of pacman-static even when i'm still on a level of 2017?
[21:53:04] <drathir_tor> i always just goes to latest where no big changes and ./pacman-static -Syuw first to cache packages and after successful download ./pacman-static -Syu and fixing all errors it throw with al news timeline as go clear asking if proceed with update...
[21:53:26] <Segaja> hm i think i have to abort this project anyway. the graphics card package i used so far (nvidia-340xx) doesn't exist in up to date versions
[21:54:37] <drathir_tor> Segaja: in case complain of damaged packages when ask of remove ctrl-c and ./pacman-static -S pacman-keyring to get new keys...
[21:55:28] <drathir_tor> them willing remove of signatures not matching with loong non update periods...
[21:55:49] <Segaja> i think one of the main problems is that AL32A has archive /repos going back to 2017 but is missing some packages of that time as they /packages only go back to 2019-ish
[21:56:07] <drathir_tor> Segaja: noveau i guess Your best bet would be...
[21:56:48] <drathir_tor> nouveau them drop older nvidia cards support regulary...
[21:58:11] <drathir_tor> missing ones 50/50 will works if dynamically use liblaries or just refuse to run...
[21:59:03] <drathir_tor> there is no easy route just update to latest and verify if would works...
[21:59:11] <Segaja> i understand
[21:59:23] <Segaja> hm i have some fontproto dependency errors...
[21:59:30] <drathir_tor> Segaja: enable ssh access just in case...
[21:59:59] <drathir_tor> Segaja: fontproto are normal ones them are in arch news...
[22:00:24] <Segaja> it is funny. i can half remember issues but i can't find the news
[22:00:44] <drathir_tor> Segaja: k one sec i could find in al one...
[22:07:35] <Segaja> could this be similar to https://archlinux.org ?
[22:07:36] <phrik> Title: Arch Linux - News: Xorg cleanup requires manual intervention (at archlinux.org)
[22:08:55] <drathir_tor> yep that one You was faster ;D
[22:09:21] <Segaja> so the fix would be: pacman -Rdd libxfont ?
[22:10:07] <drathir_tor> ./pacman-static -Rdd libdmx libxxf86dga libxxf86misc
[22:10:30] <drathir_tor> it would complain can faind one or two...
[22:10:41] <drathir_tor> can/cant*
[22:11:00] <drathir_tor> just remove missing ones from command
[22:11:56] <drathir_tor> and ./pacman-static -Syu again after it remove...
[22:12:20] <Segaja> running
[22:12:33] <Segaja> and pacman-static is better in downloading such files
[22:12:57] <Segaja> i don't get any "file too large" errors
[22:13:20] <Segaja> 706 packages...
[22:14:00] <drathir_tor> thats good just keep in mind most likely after updade zsh if used will complains to run anything open tabs just in case now...
[22:14:28] <Segaja> i will reboot anyway after update. and yes i use zsh
[22:15:01] <drathir_tor> You will need type in tab zsh to reload it...
[22:15:14] <Segaja> even if i reboot?
[22:15:34] <drathir_tor> Segaja: after reboot it back to normal...
[22:17:02] <drathir_tor> Segaja: just keep in mind to cp and safe hooks execute just inn case there could be errors... and its most likely react for normal reboot from root just do few times sync command and hard restart....
[22:17:28] <drathir_tor> Segaja: cp save like from console output...
[22:18:38] <Segaja> has AL32 an AUR?
[22:18:44] <drathir_tor> Segaja: for me that was normal bc services and files get updated after reboot systems fireup normally in Your case i assume You would need tweak nvidia dricer after reboot as well...
[22:19:15] <drathir_tor> Segaja: sadly al+aur but mostly similar procedure...
[22:19:38] <Segaja> so i could try to use nvidia-340xx from AUR later and build it on AL32
[22:19:45] <drathir_tor> Segaja: and al have some multiarch packages as well...
[22:20:27] <Segaja> yay. a new pacman.conf has been installed so i should diff that too
[22:20:45] <Segaja> uh grub update
[22:21:02] <drathir_tor> Segaja: yes best bet however i saw nvidia 455.28 is incompatible with linux >= 5.9 no sure if would works but not hurt check...
[22:21:39] <Segaja> well first i still have 2 year to go :D
[22:22:32] <drathir_tor> if You do from pacman-static You should be fresh up2date after reboot...
[22:22:56] <drathir_tor> Segaja: just need to play with every aur package sadly...
[22:22:59] <Segaja> pacman-static will update to latest and ignore mirrors?
[22:23:12] <drathir_tor> Segaja: like rebuild every single one...
[22:23:51] <drathir_tor> Segaja: yep it should update to latest unless You made some edits...
[22:24:50] <Segaja> good to know. should i go through all the warnings before reboot?
[22:24:54] <Segaja> like .pacnew files and such
[22:30:38] <drathir_tor> Segaja: personaly i didnt made them after...
[22:31:46] <drathir_tor> Segaja: depend which warnings id there mkinitcpio not build sucessfully You would need build by hand...
[22:31:56] <drathir_tor> id/if*
[22:32:53] <drathir_tor> Segaja: but it should just throw varning with rebuild some caches...
[22:33:37] <drathir_tor> bc the hooks support gets updated...
[22:35:01] <Segaja> warnings of some .pacnew files and some directories with different permissions. nothing too bad
[22:36:26] <Segaja> hm i have a shell after reboot but no X
[22:36:55] <Segaja> X says "($$) no screens found"
[22:37:00] <Segaja> (EE)
[22:37:21] <drathir_tor> Segaja: yea that why i like old way how base was maded not linked... You was able made base reinstall and srssurect it from dead...
[22:37:34] <drathir_tor> Segaja: ok that nvidia...
[22:37:53] <drathir_tor> Segaja: lsmod |grep nvidia
[22:38:08] <Segaja> nothing
[22:38:35] <Segaja> i also saw an error during boot about kernel modules
[22:39:09] <drathir_tor> Segaja: ls -hall /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[22:39:42] <Segaja> yeha there is an nvidia config
[22:40:10] <Segaja> i could try to remove it
[22:40:30] <drathir_tor> Segaja: You can edit and add # everywhere...
[22:40:43] <Segaja> i will just move it out of the config folder for now
[22:40:55] <drathir_tor> at begining of line or mv config to .conf_old
[22:41:16] <drathir_tor> k rm or mv should work as well ^^
[22:41:20] <Segaja> hm still same error
[22:41:41] <Segaja> yeah there is more nvidia stuff in the main xxorg config
[22:41:59] <drathir_tor> Segaja: need reboot to apply changes....
[22:42:12] <Segaja> even if i manually run `startx` ?
[22:42:31] <drathir_tor> Segaja: xorg is pretty well this days with autodetection...
[22:42:49] <Segaja> so i could try to remove the entire xorg.conf?
[22:43:21] <drathir_tor> Segaja: some things i remember need me reboot with nvidia, but You can try manually first...
[22:44:15] <drathir_tor> Segaja: yep personally not have /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:46:15] <Segaja> hm still not working
[22:47:14] <drathir_tor> ssh enabled jus in case ?
[22:48:00] <Segaja> i'm on the machine via console
[22:48:01] <drathir_tor> lsmod |grep nouveau
[22:48:14] <drathir_tor> Segaja: pacman -S xf86-video-nouveau
[22:49:22] <Segaja> lol i removed the nvidia packages and suddenly i have a much better frame buffer resolution AND x works :D
[22:49:36] <Segaja> that is the first time that uninstalling nvidia packages actually solved anything :D
[22:49:38] <drathir_tor> Segaja: ^^ ;p
[22:50:06] <Segaja> not that i still like the fluxbox it boots me into :D
[22:50:22] <drathir_tor> older cards have pretty stable nouveau support... brand new gets more problems...
[22:50:37] <drathir_tor> Segaja: k reboot now...
[22:50:48] <Segaja> damn my terminal font is crap ;)
[22:50:55] <Segaja> i just did reboot :D
[22:51:10] <drathir_tor> Segaja: oh i see... ;D
[22:52:03] <Segaja> damn now i lost network support
[22:52:43] <drathir_tor> Segaja: i could imagine i used xfce4 for myself and even there (its mostly not changing much visually over years) but after such long time gets some "different look"...
[22:53:09] <Segaja> well i used fluxbox back then and now i use i3
[22:53:25] <Segaja> the tiling alone or the lack of it drives me crazy :D
[22:53:39] <Segaja> anyway. i have to figure out how to get network working
[22:54:15] <drathir_tor> Segaja: reinstall netctl and wpa-supplicantwpa_supplicant unless You use something else...
[22:54:21] <Segaja> i can't
[22:54:23] <Segaja> no network
[22:54:34] <Segaja> and i have a LAN cable. i don't need wlan for now
[22:54:48] <drathir_tor> ifconfig -a
[22:55:05] <drathir_tor> did show ip assigned ?
[22:55:15] <Segaja> no
[22:55:40] <drathir_tor> dhcpcd eth_interface_name
[22:56:13] <drathir_tor> from root ofc..
[22:56:19] <Segaja> that worked
[22:56:59] <drathir_tor> ok than i would setup netctl or other You preffer...
[22:57:38] <Segaja> systemd-networkd most likely then ;)
[22:57:48] <drathir_tor> and pacman -Syuw what show ?
[22:57:51] <Segaja> hm if i run `pacman -Syu` i get more updates and the "xorg" issues
[22:58:22] <Segaja> i guess because i had an AL32A Server in the mirrorlist by then it didn't update to latest
[22:59:02] <drathir_tor> k than need go tgrought it again use ./pacman-static -Syuw
[23:00:08] <drathir_tor> and ./pacman-static -Syu when first command download all and probanly can back to normal repos now...
[23:00:10] <Segaja> and another 790 updates :D
[23:00:20] <Segaja> an i thought ~150 in one week was almost too much :D
[23:01:31] <drathir_tor> Segaja: i pretty sure it could go with no issues just to latest just follow and fix files edition from al news page...
[23:01:55] <Segaja> i'm downloading the packages
[23:01:59] <drathir_tor> Segaja: however if allow smallers steps why not ;D
[23:02:04] <Segaja> and i fixed xorg already
[23:02:51] <drathir_tor> Segaja: always remember first Syuw to have all packages on board just in case...
[23:03:27] <Segaja> that is a very good advice
[23:03:33] <Segaja> already thanks for all the help ;)
[23:03:49] <drathir_tor> Segaja: in rare cases in past downloading not proceed but You just was able -Su w/o issues... ^^
[23:04:20] <Segaja> i have an "unknown trust" error
[23:04:21] <drathir_tor> Segaja: yea i played with old a bit... same with offline instalations in past ;p
[23:05:25] <Segaja> ah hang on i have an idea how to fix that
[23:06:09] <drathir_tor> Segaja: try go with ./pacman-static -S archlinux-keyring iit should rebuild keyring...
[23:06:30] <Segaja> i tried but funny enough it is the signature of THAT packager that fails
[23:06:43] <Segaja> for both archlinux-keyring and archlinux32-keyring
[23:07:26] <drathir_tor> Segaja: k than download .sig manually and verify if matching with package...
[23:07:51] <Segaja> or disable validation in the pacman.conf
[23:08:06] <drathir_tor> if does i would go with temporally disabling sig verify and h=just install that one package...
[23:08:31] <drathir_tor> yea just first verify if .sig match jyst in case....
[23:08:42] <drathir_tor> jyst/just*
[23:09:39] <drathir_tor> it probably should but that also exclude possibility of corrupted or partially downloaded package,,,
[23:10:38] <drathir_tor> and install with ./pacman-static -U patch to archlinux-keyring package with .sig file in same location...
[23:10:52] <drathir_tor> patch/path*
[23:10:52] <Segaja> yeah of course
[23:11:55] <drathir_tor> Segaja: its some works and play with configurations, but still slowly goes further...
[23:12:06] <Segaja> indeed
[23:12:32] <drathir_tor> Segaja: ofc after install archlinux-keyring revert to verify signatures...
[23:13:32] <Segaja> of course
[23:14:22] <Segaja> installing another 776 updates
[23:14:49] <Segaja> huh some errors in openexr
[23:16:18] <drathir_tor> Segaja: yep that was too ^^
[23:18:56] <drathir_tor> Segaja: ./pacman-static -R ilmbase possible ?
[23:19:21] <drathir_tor> Segaja: ofc verify if there no tons of dependencies...
[23:19:41] <Segaja> is required by openexr
[23:19:44] <Segaja> Rdd?
[23:19:53] <Segaja> or just remove openexr also?
[23:20:14] <drathir_tor> Segaja: try openexr and check what it try to delete...
[23:20:31] <Segaja> gegl and gimp
[23:20:51] <Segaja> not sure what gegl is but i would be ok removing gimp
[23:21:11] <drathir_tor> Segaja: add both and check if will add more...
[23:21:44] <Segaja> libmypaint :D
[23:21:56] <Segaja> and mypaint-brushes
[23:22:00] <Segaja> i will just remove them all
[23:22:11] <drathir_tor> Segaja: k if no more than remove
[23:22:39] <drathir_tor> Segaja: it will reinstaled later...
[23:23:27] <drathir_tor> and again ./pacman-static -Syu to verify ^^
[23:24:10] <Segaja> lets try this again ;)
[23:26:00] <Segaja> installing 765 updates ;)
[23:26:26] <drathir_tor> Segaja: k its that to latest or not yet ?
[23:26:38] <Segaja> to latest
[23:26:45] <drathir_tor> Segaja: k good...
[23:30:29] <Segaja> hm i get errors during service restarts
[23:31:08] <Segaja> like dbus, cronie
[23:31:28] <Segaja> and an error from "Reload system manager configuration"
[23:32:09] <Segaja> any suggestions, drathir_tor ?
[23:33:17] <drathir_tor> Segaja: k in upgrade ?
[23:33:27] <Segaja> yeah at the end in the hooks
[23:33:43] <Segaja> but it has build the new images. restart should help i guess?
[23:33:44] <drathir_tor> Segaja: than no worry just changes in configs...
[23:34:15] <drathir_tor> Segaja: most important if regenerated mkinitcpio wo errors ?
[23:34:23] <drathir_tor> w/o
[23:34:42] <Segaja> yes. only the usual warnings in the fallback image
[23:34:56] <Segaja> like wd719x and aic94xx not found
[23:35:00] <drathir_tor> yea missing modules are ok
[23:35:14] <drathir_tor> than few times sync in root
[23:35:39] <drathir_tor> Segaja: and hard reboot i guess if normal stuck...
[23:36:05] <Segaja> "Failed to talk to init daemon." :D
[23:36:23] <drathir_tor> Segaja: yep hard rebbot ^^
[23:36:47] <Segaja> in progress
[23:37:47] <drathir_tor> Segaja: and now normally as usual all pacman -Syuw and pacman -Syu possible to do...
[23:37:48] <Segaja> hm i lost my boot output. i guess i have to re-edit my grub config ;)
[23:38:24] <drathir_tor> Segaja: k thats new ^^
[23:38:51] <drathir_tor> Segaja: like no info durning boot ?
[23:39:15] <drathir_tor> Segaja: /etc/default/grub
[23:39:22] <Segaja> nah. but i know where this comes from. let me check my grub config
[23:39:48] <Segaja> yeah i thought so. GRUB_CMD_LINUX_DEFAULT is set to "quiet" again
[23:40:06] <drathir_tor> Segaja: comment out #GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="loglevel=3 quiet" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
[23:40:14] <drathir_tor> and add new line
[23:40:44] <drathir_tor> Segaja: surprising it edited that ;D good to know ^^
[23:41:20] <Segaja> now i just have to remember the command to regenerate the grub config
[23:41:44] <drathir_tor> for grub grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[23:42:07] <drathir_tor> for mkinitcpio mkinitcpio -p linux
[23:42:34] <drathir_tor> unless al32 use linux32 but not sure...
[23:43:29] <Segaja> i get a warning during boot about the root device not to be mounted rw
[23:43:31] <drathir_tor> pacman -Syuw reporting no packages ?
[23:44:50] <drathir_tor> Segaja: that old grub config probably... what You have at GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= in /etc/default/grub
[23:45:13] <Segaja> nothing
[23:45:41] <drathir_tor> Segaja: when You rebuild grub listed al kernel ?
[23:47:42] <drathir_tor> Segaja: if does list/detect it than most likely should be save reboot to check if changes works...
[23:48:01] <Segaja> could it be that grub takes /boot/grub/menu.lst over /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
[23:48:46] <drathir_tor> Segaja: pacman -Ss grub
[23:49:08] <drathir_tor> Segaja: something like core/grub 2:2.04-10 [installed] ?
[23:49:42] <Segaja> yes
[23:50:11] <drathir_tor> hmmm... it should already using /boot/grub/grub.cfg as config...
[23:50:33] <drathir_tor> Segaja: did You have just in case live iso for chroot ?
[23:51:09] <Segaja> no
[23:51:12] <Segaja> of course not :D
[23:51:18] <Segaja> where is the fun in that? :D
[23:51:25] <drathir_tor> Segaja: ^^ ;p
[23:51:58] <drathir_tor> Segaja: its could work ootb, but for secure good to download and write for some usb...
[23:52:35] <Segaja> well if it fails i still have 2 pcs here i can use to download the ISO ;)
[23:52:56] <drathir_tor> Segaja: k than reboot normally \o/
[23:53:07] <Segaja> oO it tells me grub version 0.97
[23:53:19] <Segaja> and i see a grub prompt but not the actual grub selection
[23:54:05] <drathir_tor> k thats why it surprise me...
[23:54:23] <Segaja> is grub numbering so confusing or is this the old grub?
[23:54:34] <drathir_tor> its have more sense ;p
[23:55:35] <Segaja> ok i managed to boot into linux by pointing it to the old menu.lst which i had moved out
[23:55:40] <drathir_tor> Segaja: grub-install /dev/sda --recheck manually needed looks like...
[23:56:23] <drathir_tor> it will reinstall grub again to new version hopefully...
[23:57:47] <drathir_tor> and definitely higher need report than 0.97 ;p
[23:59:20] <Segaja> btw. pacman says lz4 is newer locally then on mirror. otherwise no updates
[23:59:53] <Segaja> i know have grub2. just have to teach it to find my old windows