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[09:46:16] <deep42thought> I asked in #archlinux-wiki about i686 infos in the official wiki and they (=jasonwryan) are fine with it, as long as it's on separate pages - the main articles are for officially supported hardware only.
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[19:11:29] <user00265> deep42thought: how's it going?
[19:12:07] <deep42thought> the tools work so far (besides smaller bugs), there are quite some outstanding upstream bugs and some (for me) unsolvable build errors
[19:12:38] <deep42thought> https://buildmaster.archlinux32.org
[19:12:39] <phrik> Title: List of broken package builds (at buildmaster.archlinux32.org)
[19:13:09] <user00265> makes me wonder how arch itself has these working fine, or is it a 32-bit issue
[19:13:25] <deep42thought> the "upstream bugs" are 64 bit, too
[19:13:37] <deep42thought> the others might be due to 32 bit or due to our build system
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[19:16:46] <deep42thought> note, that there are not all unbuildable packages in that list - only ones, whose dependencies are all available or which are part of a dependency cycle
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[19:18:37] <deep42thought> sry, you might have missed my last comment
[19:19:12] <user00265> I got the upstream bugs, and the one about maybe 32 bit or build system
[19:19:21] <deep42thought> note, that there are not all unbuildable packages in that list - only ones, whose dependencies are all available or which are part of a dependency cycle
[19:19:44] <user00265> ah, are we using the same build system as arch itself?
[19:20:06] <deep42thought> almost
[19:20:16] <deep42thought> modulo our mirrors and some cache-related differences
[19:23:15] <deep42thought> by "due to our build system" I mainly mean, that if you build packages in the wrong order, you may create broken packages, which then let other builds fail
[19:24:03] <user00265> ah, chain reaction effect.
[19:24:31] <deep42thought> so, if you'd do the same build with official i686 packages, it would/might succeed
[19:24:45] <deep42thought> but I'm not checking that, currently
[19:24:49] <user00265> saw that my mirror is actually keeping up to date without my intervention pretty good, speeds are decent even from the US
[19:24:57] <deep42thought> :-)
[19:25:17] <user00265> makes sense. i am guessing you're hosting the build system?
[19:25:24] <deep42thought> I added country information to the mirrorlist and placed you in canada - that's right, isn't it?
[19:25:37] <deep42thought> rewbycraft does, but I have access
[19:25:42] <user00265> Yeah, it is in OVH's Beuharnois
[19:25:43] <deep42thought> I'm hosting the master mirror
[19:25:56] <user00265> closer to the east-coast border
[19:26:24] <user00265> but I get 100mbps downloads from it in the Midwest / Minnesota
[19:37:26] <deep42thought> I was thinking of writing to the mailing list to recruit some maintainers - what do you think?
[19:39:44] <user00265> might not be so bad
[19:39:52] <user00265> if i wasnt so busy id help more actively
[19:42:43] <deep42thought> If we fix one bottle-neck-issue per day, we should have "freed" the ~800 waiting job within one or two weeks ;-)
[19:43:28] <user00265> you know what? I'm willing to help, if I can do so sporadically
[19:44:01] <deep42thought> thanks, great!
[19:44:14] <user00265> I used to be a package maintainer for Source Mage...
[19:44:41] <deep42thought> what's that? I've never heard of it
[19:46:21] <deep42thought> smgl looks similar to crux
[19:46:52] <user00265> hmm, they are a cousin of Lunar Linux
[19:47:02] <user00265> sorcery linux was the original
[19:47:08] <user00265> actually SMGL and Lunar are siblings
[19:47:21] <user00265> both based off of Sorcery years ago
[19:47:24] <user00265> I stopped in 2007
[19:48:22] <deep42thought> I didn't know there are _that_many_ source based linux distributions
[19:48:42] <deep42thought> I just stuck with the first I found
[19:49:37] <user00265> lol i know
[19:49:55] <deep42thought> If you want to unjam a bottleneck: fontconfig fails for quite a while and I have no idea, why
[19:49:56] <user00265> Exherbo (weird spin-off from Gentoo), Gentoo, Source Mage, Lunar...
[19:50:15] <user00265> btw, GPG 18615F19
[19:50:54] <deep42thought> bytesex?
[19:51:14] <deep42thought> sounds ... reproductive
[19:51:58] <user00265> a local network exchange we were building, that was the unofficial name
[19:52:01] <user00265> an inside joke
[19:52:17] <deep42thought> :-)
[19:52:39] <user00265> I mean, think about it... what do bytes do at a network exchange? lol
[19:52:52] <deep42thought> generate more bytes
[19:53:19] <user00265> :)
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[19:58:20] <user00265> fontconfig... segfault?
[19:58:30] <deep42thought> seems to be inside sgml
[19:58:38] <deep42thought> but I've rebuilt that one already
[19:59:04] <user00265> hmm
[20:00:21] <deep42thought> I rescheduled all dependencies of fontconfig and now docbook-utils also fails with a segfault (in jade)
[20:00:35] <deep42thought> and I've rebuilt openjade
[20:00:39] <deep42thought> whch worked
[20:00:57] <deep42thought> so that's the reason, why there is no fontconfig in the broken-packages list
[20:01:28] <user00265> is there a missing lib or header that is there at compile, but not installed?
[20:01:56] <deep42thought> How do I find out?
[20:02:01] <jelle> ldd
[20:02:08] <jelle> well or nm -d iirc
[20:02:39] <jelle> oh no nm was an alternative for readelf iirc
[20:04:01] <user00265> pax / pax-utils seems to have lddtree
[20:04:19] <user00265> or this tool: https://gitlab.com
[20:04:22] <phrik> Title: miscripts / tldd · GitLab (at gitlab.com)
[20:05:04] <jelle> ldd is in coreutils
[20:05:13] <jelle> oh no glibc :p
[20:05:19] <jelle> aww we don't have the new glibc yet
[20:07:26] <user00265> you want something recursive, or tree-based, so we can actually look at all the dependencies for dependencies
[20:08:47] <jelle> never had the need
[20:09:07] <user00265> most people don't -- i had to when working with source mage.
[20:09:13] <user00265> dependencies can be a real pain
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[22:15:49] <brtln> jelle: I'm waiting for gcc 7.2 to bump everything at once
[22:17:36] <deep42thought> will this fix everything or break everything?
[22:58:28] <user00265> deep42thought, that's up to the build process to find out lol
[23:04:35] <brtln> what's the difference anyway!
[23:13:30] <eschwartz> lddtree always worked for me
[23:13:59] <eschwartz> oh, tldd looks interesting