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[08:18:19] <mrkiko> So guys, I am in a pending-transition state - transitioning my system from archlinux to archlinux32
[08:18:48] <mrkiko> It is proposing me a lot of downgrades, so i wanted to wait to see if the packages are going to get some updates. Does it make sense or should I do something different?
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[08:49:00] <deep42thought> mrkiko: The packages in testing and community-testing should be more up-to-sync with archlinux
[08:49:19] <deep42thought> but they will be moved to core, extra and community eventually :-)
[08:54:30] <deep42thought> we only compile stable packages from archlinux, so testing and community-testing of archlinux32 is/should be more stable than testing and community-testing from archlinux32
[08:54:34] <deep42thought> ah
[08:54:41] <deep42thought> replace the last archlinux32 by archlinux
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[09:07:36] <deep42thought> Hi Andreas
[09:07:55] <abaumann> Morning. :-)
[09:15:46] <abaumann> ui. some fresh broken stuff coming in.
[09:17:56] <deep42thought> yeah, wpa_actiond moved from community to extra - this broke the buldmaster yesterday evening, and I just fixed it
[09:18:03] <deep42thought> so there was no progress over night
[09:21:15] <abaumann> all those *-lts breaks are caused by a missing arch/x86/Makefile_32.cpu in the linux-lts package
[09:22:07] <abaumann> maybe you can have a short look at my sed-ing in core/linux-lts/PKGBUILD, in my brain it should append the Makefile_32.cpu copy at the end in _package-headers...
[09:22:15] <abaumann> ..but then, I'm really bad with sed. ;-)
[09:24:45] <deep42thought> 'cp arch/${KARCH}/Makefile_32.cpu "${pkgdir}/usr/lib/modules/${_kernver}/build/arch/${KARCH}/";'
[09:24:47] <deep42thought> looks good
[09:26:10] <deep42thought> ah no
[09:26:31] <deep42thought> you need to sed in package_headers() not _package_headers(), I think
[09:29:07] <abaumann> in the upstream PKGBUILD it's _package-headers not _package_headers
[09:29:51] <deep42thought> but the package function which is called in the end looks to me like defined via an 'eval ...', so it might already be replaced by the _package-* function when you sed inside that one
[09:29:58] <deep42thought> I'm not sure, though
[09:30:39] <deep42thought> yep, I'm right
[09:31:06] <abaumann> who replaces that? quite inconvinient for testing..
[09:31:27] <deep42thought> have a look at the last 6 lines of the original PKGBUILD
[09:31:53] <deep42thought> there's $(declare -f _package-*)
[09:32:03] <deep42thought> and you change the function definition _after_ that
[09:32:07] <deep42thought> so it's not seen
[09:32:21] <abaumann> oh my. :-)
[09:32:28] <deep42thought> just apply the sedding to package_linux-lts-*
[09:32:31] <deep42thought> and it should be fine
[09:32:58] <abaumann> ah. ok. I'll try that..
[09:33:00] <abaumann> thanks.
[09:33:03] <deep42thought> np
[09:33:16] <deep42thought> it's somewhat cumbersome :-)
[09:34:28] <deep42thought> I have to leave now for the weekend, but I will probably be online occasionally :-)
[09:34:30] <deep42thought> cu later!
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[09:34:36] <abaumann> cu
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[12:58:58] <deep42thought> hmm, I think we need to make a little bigger effort for linux-lts than what we do right now
[13:07:18] <deep42thought> ah, I see abaumann already did, what I just thought of :-)
[13:11:09] <brtln> if I were you, I'd maintain only the lts
[13:20:12] <deep42thought> you mean, linux changes too often?
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[13:47:50] <tyz> lol
[13:47:58] <deep42thought> hmm?
[13:49:14] <tyz> "you mean, linux changes too often?"
[13:49:45] <deep42thought> well, we basically have to run "make oldconfig" manually each time it receives an update ...
[13:50:00] <deep42thought> I can't possibly think of a way to automate this
[13:56:16] <deep42thought> hmm, "ERROR: Kernel config is invalid"
[13:56:35] <deep42thought> when building nvidia-340xx-lts
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[14:14:17] <deep42thought> ok, this warning also appears when building the upstream package
[14:14:23] <deep42thought> so I don't care :-)
[14:53:17] <tyz> deep42thought: as a side note, our uptimes are finally stabilizing: https://status.archlinux32.org
[15:00:57] <deep42thought> hopefully, that's "final" :-)
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[15:03:50] <mrkiko> deep42thought: thank you very much. How might I move from stable to testing?
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[15:05:29] <deep42thought> mrkiko: you need to enable the testing and community-testing repositories in /etc/pacman.conf
[15:06:43] <deep42thought> the order should be testing, core, extra, community-testing, community
[15:07:23] <mrkiko> I should look at it
[15:08:35] <mrkiko> ok, done
[15:10:12] <mrkiko> deep42thought: thank you very very much for all
[15:10:12] <mrkiko> and thanks to everybody guys
[15:10:23] <guys> You're welcome. :)
[15:10:27] <deep42thought> :-)
[15:10:45] <mrkiko> I did hope for something like arch32 to come up
[15:10:55] <deep42thought> guys: You were supposed to tell eveyone "thanks"
[15:11:06] <mrkiko> :D
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[15:11:27] <deep42thought> mrkiko: hopefully we can stay above water until unix timestamps don't fit in 32 bit anymore ;-)
[15:11:29] <everyone> You're welcome. :)
[15:11:33] <deep42thought> lol
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[15:11:50] <guys> There, happy?
[15:12:03] <deep42thought> no, I wrote "eveyone"
[15:12:10] <deep42thought> ;-)
[15:12:18] <guys> you nitpicker
[15:12:20] <deep42thought> intentional typo
[15:12:39] <deep42thought> "nobody likes nitpickers" - "almost nobody!"
[15:13:33] <guys> nobody isn't even in this channel...
[15:13:48] <deep42thought> I give up
[15:15:06] <deep42thought> mrkiko: Since you're running the testing packages from archlinux32 now, would you like to report about installed, working packages, so they can be moved to stable at some point?
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[15:18:19] <mrkiko> nitpicker: I would be happy to do so ... once I get my system updated :D ... for now I am struggling with a 3 connection
[15:18:33] <tyz> lol
[15:18:59] <mrkiko> nitpicker: basically I should report about anything going right? :D
[15:19:09] <mrkiko> :D
[15:19:09] <nitpicker> right
[15:19:11] <tyz> there's a package you can install that reports that for you
[15:19:15] <nitpicker> there's a script for it
[15:19:22] <mrkiko> ok, I'll report on what's not right...
[15:19:23] <nitpicker> if you don't mind the privacy implications
[15:19:30] <tyz> mrkiko: https://bbs.archlinux32.org
[15:19:31] <phrik> Title: automatic testing via manual installation(s) / Testing / Arch Linux 32 Forums (at bbs.archlinux32.org)
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[15:20:17] <mrkiko> Ok, I'll look at it;
[15:20:23] <deep42thought> thanks :-)
[15:21:44] <mrkiko> thanks tyz
[15:22:04] <mrkiko> I would liek to submit bug report like - "I installed software X, and it worked.
[15:22:17] <mrkiko> :D sorry, today I am so... :D
[15:23:23] <guys> mrkiko: speaking as an archlinux bugwrangler... fite me!
[15:23:27] <deep42thought> mrkiko: it's possible, but you may need to write a small script to make it convenient
[15:23:52] <guys> deep42thought: do you have signoffs set up or something?
[15:24:12] <deep42thought> I'm not sure, that I understand correctly, but probably: yes
[15:24:22] <tyz> guys: ehh, not yet, afaik
[15:24:38] <deep42thought> can you describe "signoffs"?
[15:24:43] <tyz> deep42thought: I think he means how arch does it, where it requires signing off from another TU to move the package
[15:24:52] <tyz> at least for core
[15:24:55] <mrkiko> deep42thought: 91 downgrades, i guess this is more expected
[15:25:06] <guys> deep42thought: testers can get an archweb account to access the signoffs page and confirm that a package works
[15:25:11] <deep42thought> can you post a package list somewhere?
[15:25:33] <guys> tyz: anyone can be a tester (in fact, anyone is one of the testers)
[15:25:34] <deep42thought> guys: ah, no, we implemented something similar via email interface
[15:25:54] <guys> similar counts as "or something"
[15:26:01] <deep42thought> you send a signed email to the build master telling it, that some package(s) is/are fine
[15:26:30] <deep42thought> and if your key is listed as "may sign off package", then it'll get signed off
[15:26:37] <mrkiko> If you talk with me use my nick explicitly, I am not particularly awake now, and reading this with a braille display is a little bit too intensive :D
[15:27:34] <tyz> mrkiko: rgr. Braille display? What kind?
[15:27:39] <deep42thought> mrkiko: ok :-) can you post a list of the downgrades? That would be really interesting
[15:27:40] <guys> mrkiko: nah, mostly just schmoozing with deep42thought about infra :D
[15:27:48] <tyz> lol
[15:29:39] <deep42thought> guys: my script basically sends an email with all installed testing and community-testing packages to the build master
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[15:44:53] <deep42thought> abaumann: can you please keep the blacklist sorted alphabetically?
[15:45:03] <deep42thought> This way, it's easier to find packages :-)
[15:52:58] <deep42thought> abaumann: btw, all the *-lts packages are built now :-)
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[15:57:48] <abaumann> ok. sorting it the next time. :--)
[15:58:08] <abaumann> *lts are through, just installed a linux-lts kernel, seems ok.
[15:58:29] <deep42thought> ok, I will mark it as tested, then
[15:58:46] <abaumann> What worries me a little bit: I took the last config-i686 from the i686 repo from upstream, I hope it fits to the kernel version..
[15:59:04] <deep42thought> the other one did not change, too
[15:59:15] <abaumann> ah.. ok.
[15:59:18] <deep42thought> and usually, the kernel does not compile if you try it with an old config
[15:59:41] <deep42thought> but we need to run "make oldconfig" at some point in the future
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[16:00:03] <abaumann> # Linux/x86 4.9.53-1 Kernel Configuration in the config file.
[16:00:41] <abaumann> 4.9.59 is in PKGBUILD
[16:00:55] <abaumann> is it compatible between patch levels?
[16:01:39] <deep42thought> I think, I tried compiling a kernel with a too old config, once, and it failed
[16:01:57] <deep42thought> that said, some new stuff may not be included if we don't run "make oldconfig" in between
[16:02:15] <abaumann> running "make oldconfig" is a good idea anyway
[16:02:31] <deep42thought> but it will become interactive, once stuff changed
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[16:02:43] <deep42thought> we could run "yes | make oldconfig" *hehe*
[16:02:51] <abaumann> :-)
[16:03:10] <deep42thought> afk, coffee is calling
[16:03:25] <abaumann> The question is anyway: what is the rule upstream? what should be always in the kernel, what as module etc? Let's put that on a TODO list.. :-)
[16:03:39] <abaumann> coffee. yeap. good idea. :-)
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[16:24:20] <eschwartz[m]> abaumann: I'm not aware of any particular rules, but you should probably double-check with heftig or tpoa
[16:24:26] <eschwartz[m]> *tpowa
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[16:55:52] <deep42thought> abaumann: https://bbs.archlinux32.org
[16:55:54] <phrik> Title: core/linux{,-lts,-zen} config / Creating/Maintaining Packages / Arch Linux 32 Forums (at bbs.archlinux32.org)
[16:57:20] <abaumann> eschwartz[m] said: "abaumann: I'm not aware of any particular rules, but you should probably double-check with heftig or tpowa"
[16:58:03] <deep42thought> maybe we should point them to the thread, so they can leave a comment?
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[17:41:17] <deep42thought> heftig says it's their sole discretion
[17:41:32] <deep42thought> what enters the new kernel
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[19:01:45] <tyz> so...
[19:02:07] <mrkiko> guys: thank you for the insight;
[19:02:12] <tyz> just IP-Banned a user who decided to post porn to the forum
[19:02:30] <tyz> but I deleted others earlier. Going to look at migrating to a better forum software tonight
[19:02:42] <mrkiko> tyz: Alva BC640 display braille
[19:03:00] <eschwartz[m]> tyz: once you get spam like that you know you're on the map :p
[19:03:16] <tyz> lol
[19:03:22] <tyz> mrkiko: So you can read one line at a time?
[19:03:56] <mrkiko> tyz: yes
[19:04:06] <mrkiko> tyz: with this model, yes
[19:04:40] <mrkiko> tyz, guys: say thank you to deep42thought when he comes back from me. thank you.
[19:04:41] <tyz> mrkiko: what do you use to type your messages with? Do you have a braille typing interface? or a keyboard with braille labels?
[19:04:51] <tyz> mrkiko: and I will be sure to do so.
[19:05:08] <eschwartz[m]> mrkiko: sure thing (I am guys)
[19:05:16] <mrkiko> tyz: no, I use a normal keyboard, with the 10 fingers "scheme"
[19:05:32] <mrkiko> eschwartz[m]: :) thanks :D
[19:05:48] <mrkiko> tyz: thanks
[19:06:12] <mrkiko> downgrade list is very small
[19:06:13] <mrkiko> warning: hicolor-icon-theme: downgrading from version 0.17-1 to version 0.15-1
[19:06:16] <mrkiko> warning: iso-codes: downgrading from version 3.76-1 to version 3.75-1
[19:06:19] <mrkiko> warning: libnghttp2: downgrading from version 1.27.0-1 to version 1.23.1-1
[19:06:28] <mrkiko> I unfortunately didn't send it in time, sorry for that
[19:06:41] <tyz> mrkiko: I'm always interested in usability: what do you think about terminal user interfaces (such as nmtui)
[19:06:55] <tyz> mrkiko: do you find ncurses interfaces difficult to use?
[19:08:44] <tyz> mrkiko: also, what tool do you use for editing text?
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[19:24:05] <mrkiko> tyz: oh, thank you for your interest in usability. I never tried ntui, so I can't say. Ncurses interfaces can be very different one another, so even in that case, it depends. Some are pretty difficult to use, others are confortable. Those who hides the "hardware" cursor tend to be difficult to use, and they annoy me.
[19:24:18] <mrkiko> To edit text, I use GNU nano
[19:24:31] <mrkiko> my IRC client is irssi
[19:25:53] <mrkiko> But I am using those tools becuase I am used to / because I started with them. I think there are for sure a lot of confortable tools I could use, and so on
[19:25:54] <deep42thought> mrkiko: thanks for the list, np for the delay :-)
[19:26:16] <mrkiko> deep42thought: thank to you ... :D
[19:29:01] <tyz> mrkiko: Do you use a web browser? It'd be nice to get input on how our website/forum behave for such devices.
[19:29:21] <mrkiko> Good evening to all of you. Feel free to PM me in case, if I loose some messages.
[19:30:07] <mrkiko> I know currently lots of blind users use GUI browsers, and i tend to use my phone in general for complex sites. On the ocmputer I generally use things like lynx
[19:30:31] <mrkiko> orin extreme cases, a windows computer with firefox or something, don't remember, maybe chrome
[19:30:37] <mrkiko> don't know exactly...
[19:30:48] <mrkiko> but I prefer APIs to web :D
[19:31:32] <mrkiko> Even edbrowse is a great tool
[19:32:11] <mrkiko> and clearly for embedded devices I prefer open software / Openwrt/lede; and if I can't have that, a CLI is preferred to a web interface :D
[19:36:11] <tyz> mrkiko: Thanks for the info. Also, let me know if you have trouble accessing something on our sites. I try to maintain it to be usable by as many people as possible.
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[19:40:15] <fsckd> edbrowse is the greatest browser on both sides of the Carpathians.
[19:40:37] <tyz> fsckd: I'll have to give it a look then, since I've not heard of it before
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[19:58:27] <Fr0stBit> Hey guys! I'm migrating to archlinux32 for an old netbook of mine
[19:59:09] <Fr0stBit> And i get signature is invalid errors in upgrade for "Erich Eckner <arch@eckner.net>"
[19:59:24] <Fr0stBit> Where can i find his public key and how can i import it to pacman keyring
[19:59:40] <deep42thought> install archlinux32-keyring-transition
[20:00:29] <deep42thought> or is this a conflict in your cache?
[20:04:08] <Fr0stBit> deep42thought: Ok lets see.. I installed initially (before trying to upgrade) the archlinux32-keyring-transition package, but i see it conflicts with the core/archlinux32-keyring-transition package. I'm trying the upgrade with the core package now
[20:04:15] <Fr0stBit> Nah, still the same
[20:04:35] <deep42thought> hmm
[20:04:44] <deep42thought> what's the exact error message
[20:04:45] <deep42thought> ?
[20:04:55] <deep42thought> did you do a 'pacman -Sc' at some point?
[20:05:25] <Fr0stBit> error: binutils: signature from "Erich Eckner (just to sign arch packages) <arch@eckner.net>" is invalid
[20:05:27] <Fr0stBit> :: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/binutils-2.29.1-1-i686.pkg.tar.xz is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature))
[20:05:47] <Fr0stBit> I did a pacman -Sc before the migration process i think, but i'm not so sure
[20:05:49] <deep42thought> then allow pacman to delete it
[20:06:02] <Fr0stBit> deep42thought: There are a shitload of packages reporting this
[20:06:19] <deep42thought> I guess ,you didn't pacman -Sc
[20:06:24] <deep42thought> try it (again)
[20:06:41] <deep42thought> our packages conflict with the ones in your cache:
[20:06:55] <deep42thought> pacman has my signature in the db but the other packages in you cache
[20:07:08] <Fr0stBit> deep42thought: Ok pal, i'll fire it and see how it goes
[20:07:27] <Fr0stBit> There are whole lot of packages so it will take some time to redownload them
[20:07:56] <deep42thought> if you want to avoid the downgrade, you may activate testing and community-testing
[20:09:01] <Fr0stBit> Nah its ok
[20:09:19] <Fr0stBit> Just fired it, its redownloading everything
[20:09:37] <Fr0stBit> See ya in around 1Gig of packages downloaded :P
[20:10:06] <deep42thought> :D
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[20:28:13] <tyz> deep42thought: https://twitter.com
[20:28:15] <phrik> Title: Substandard Nerd auf Twitter: "Transistion of my 32 bit Atom based router from #archlinux to #archlinux32 went without a hitch. Excellent community!" (at twitter.com)
[20:28:22] <tyz> deep42thought: Also, do we have a twitter account?
[20:28:34] <deep42thought> I don't
[20:29:14] <deep42thought> and I won't :-)
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[20:54:15] <brtln> deep42thought: wrt LTS, I just guess that new drivers aren't really related to i686
[20:54:28] <brtln> and improvements/bug fixes are backported anyway
[20:54:40] <deep42thought> true
[20:55:01] <deep42thought> but this also means, picking the right options is not that important on i686 either ;-)
[20:55:36] <brtln> right
[20:56:01] <deep42thought> I hesitate to drop linux, because I guess, a lot user will just stick with the old kernel and never receive updates :-/
[21:02:15] <Fr0stBit> deep42thought: Update went smooth bro
[21:02:19] <Fr0stBit> Thanks for the tip
[21:02:23] <deep42thought> Fr0stBit: good to hear :-)
[21:04:39] <Fr0stBit> Flying out for now.. See ya pal, and thanks again!
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[21:15:01] <deep42thought> hmm, it looks, like the 2nd email got through :-)
[21:17:09] <deep42thought> tyz: ^
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[21:27:20] <tyz> deep42thought: Odd, went through directly.
[21:27:25] <tyz> Not sure what's up with that.
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